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  • I've noticed in the first episode's end sequence that there is a picture of Melissa looking towards Zack, and she seemed to blush a very, very, very, very little. It's really hard to see, maybe that's an optical illusion. Anyway, that's not impossible, after all, Melissa and Zack are the only two brave enough to befriend Milo, they surely think they have something in common.

    During their quest in the school, Melissa literally embraces Zack to say "that what makes it questy". She keeps embracing him until he gently push her away. They stay like that for a few, he keeps his hand on her cheek and she is totally laughing. They play in a different way that what would someone do with a simple friend (not only in that episode by the way). Other point: Melissa looks disappointed when she says that Crystal likes Zack. Well of course she's disappointed because he keeps his behaviour against the "quest thing", but who knows, maybe... Well, by the way, I am sure only of the first of these two proofs.

    They often look at each other in a "special way"...

    Also, check this picture. Is even possible that someone needs more proofs NOW? Thanks to PL for uploading it.

    When in the episode "the undergrounders" Melissa and Milo got stuck under rocks, Zack said: "NO! Melissa!"(short pause) "Milo!". This may mean nothing, or may mean that Zack feels something for her too...(the last part is said like a little song, or, you know, it's hard to describe, it's similar to when you tease someone... urgh! If you can't imagine my voice saying that, then nevermind.)

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    • I still say it's a bit early to speculate romantic intentions between the characters. Even if the creators intended to have that underpinned throughout, I think they would've established that Melissa or Zack had feelings for each other, but as it stands there is nothing that says that. For all intends and purposes, all three of them are friends with each other and until they establish it in a future episode that is how it stands.

      But honestly, it would be a nice coupling. And it would make a heck of a lot more sense than the people I already see on the Internet who ship Milo and Zack.

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    • As they say, it is still too early to give something as fact. But the idea of a Melissa / Zack intrigues me more than a Milo / Melissa.

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    • Agreed. Melissa and Zack getting together would be a lot more interesting. Milo and Melissa would be really cliched.

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    • "It's too early..." this could be this wiki's catchphrase!

      Funny, right?

      Anyway, thanks for saying that this would make more sense. After all, none has proves that Milo and Zack could end up toghether. (Or they do? No, seriously, why someone said so?)

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    • Someone on deviantART was posting pics of Milo and Zack kissing and various other stuff. I don't like it.

      It's nothing homophobic or anything. It's just that they are too young and also there is no evidence in the entire show that they ever had affection for each other. Besides, I think the Disney censors just prefer not to go down that route, again not because they are homophobic but because they would prefer not to bring it in in the first place. When in doubt, do without. 

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    • I agree.

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    • Melissa  and Zack would be cute!

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    • Okay, I'm back again with more proofs. During their quest in the school, Melissa literally embraces Zack to say "that what makes it questy". She keeps embracing him until he gently push her away. They stay like that for a few, he keeps his hand on her cheek and she is totally laughing. They play in a different way that what would someone do with a simple friend (not only in that episode by the way. Other point: Melissa looks disappointed when she says that Crystal likes Zack. Well of course she's disappointed because he keeps his behaviour against the "quest thing", but who knows, maybe... Well, by the way, I am sure only of the first proof.

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    • Milo and Melissa is the most common shipping that I have seen from the fans and I can honestly see why. Personally, I am really huge on Milo and Amanda myself, but I do like Milo and Melissa as friends, but as a couple... eh, I don't know. It is exactly how I feel with Star and Marco in Star vs. the Forces of Evil, they are really cute together as friends but I don't think that they should be a couple because it is kinda cliched.

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    • Well, many people may ship Melissa and Milo, but this is a total nonsense, because they have been friends for so long but neither of them showed any feelings. Nothing happened between them. If Melissa felt anything, Milo would have noticed, he isn't oblivious as a well-known triangle guy is. If Milo felt anything for Melissa, well, the same as above. Plus, MILO AND MELISSA NEVER EVEN TOUCH DID YOU NOTICE THAT?  In the rollercoaster who was sit next to Melissa? Not Milo. Plus, Milo likes another girl and Melissa doesn't look like the kind of girl who hasn't choices. I mean, Bradley is one who already showed interest in her, and I think he isn't the only one considering Melissa's character. 

      I wish to be recognized as the first one to think about Melissa+Zack when they'll end up together for real in the series.



      On the Milo+Amanda thing... I don't really like it. Amanda didn't recognize milo's value and it's a cliché the fact that if you're worthy of love then the person you like will love you back. Many times in real life, when Amanda discovers her hero is Milo, she wouldn't look at him so dreamy, but would be disappointed that he's not who she expected. All in all I would prefer a story where Milo gets bored of Amanda because she doesn't like him back and go looking for another, calmer girl. Anyway, I don't hate the fact they end up together so the Milo+Amanda thing is ok to me.

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    • I have not been shipping anyone on this show yet. And not all states allow mixed marriages.

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    • All those states need to loosen up and accept that everyone is equal and accept everyone for who they are.

      I don't currently ship any of the main three with eachother. Though I did note that moment in the mathbook between Zack and Melissa. They also decided to commemorate that moment in the end credits, so I'll be watching how those two get along.

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    • Paige EM, Danville apparenly is in a place where they allow mixed marriages, as in Phineas and Ferb we see many "interracial" couples, and none said anything against it. Plus, this cartoon is made by wise and clever people. How is it possible that such people could refuse mixed marriages?!

      PhinFerbFan5, you said it perfectly. And... yes, THAT moment is really important. We'll see... (said singing like sometimes Doofenshmirtz do)

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    • Well if we presume that Milo and the gang actually do live in Swamp City or Danville, which I presume is in California, then I think interracial couples are fine there.

      But what shocks me is the fact that there still are states in this day and age and do not allow that kind of thing. I mean, I almost think you are kidding there because seriously WHAAAAAAAAAT

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    • Can I leave this message here and talk nothing?

      And the right picture mean Zack have something on Melissa too.
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      This is a cute, and great one too, if talking about Melissa + Zack.

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      But not this one. Extracted from The Math Book episode, and this is real. <s> Let's learn how to get a girlfriend

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    • Pretty Lightningreed (PL). That real image is exactly the one I was talking about when I said they "play" and "hug" and "laugh together" and "look at each other in a particular way". Thank you for showing it, this way I have even more consistent proofs.

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    • Screenshot 1

      Sometimes, I wish I knew what were I doing.

      Also, call me PL next time.
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    • As you wish, PL.

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    • RIP thread in 3 days

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    • Pretty Lightningreed (PL) wrote:
      RIP thread in 3 days

      Just because none can anymore tell anything against this theory.

      And those in favour are already in favour so...

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    • In "Sunny side up" they are also seen "fighting" together to save their science project. 

      They spent all day together during "Murphy Family vacation"

      In "Lard World" Melissa noticed Zack esultating when she was supposed to be facing the opposite direction. She DOES watch him a lot!

      In "Secrets and Pies" Zack shows much interest in knowing Melissa's secrets, on the other hand she says that his (creepy) method is working. I wouldn't think she would say that if he wasn't Zack as normally one would say it's just creepy... though that's not so objective as a "Proof". As well, she is very interested in seeing his past in the boyband. Also, she look some kind of delighted that "he is so sensitive".

      In "Athledecamathalon", Melissa says she wants to win "for Zack. Poor, poor Zack" despite he's fine, just in a particolar situation.

      Hey, aren't them sitting one next the each other in "The Substitute"? Yes, yes they are.

      Zack: "Hey, where's Melissa?" episode "We're going to the Zoo"

      Uhm... how many people are needed to look after coats? Well, apparently two, a boy whose name starts with a "Z" and a girl whose name starts with an "M"... That's what I learned from "School Dance" ;-) This may be Amanda's idea, though.

      Some of these aren't exactly "proofs"... but, you know. And I'm done for now... I'll always come back every now and then, mates.

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    • Nice, you've really thought about this. It's entirely possible that they have a thing, but i feel, like you said about proof, that most of these could just be two friends hanging out and making fun of eachother.

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    • Pretty Lightningreed (PL) wrote:
      RIP thread in 3 days

      I hope not.

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    • All we know for sure us that someone named Crystal loves Zack.

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    • I ship them

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    • PhinFerbFan5 wrote:
      Nice, you've really thought about this. It's entirely possible that they have a thing, but i feel, like you said about proof, that most of these could just be two friends hanging out and making fun of eachother.

      Yes, I agree, many aren't proofs they are going to make a couple. But, if you consider that Milo and Melissa don't have the same behaviour for each other (as I already said they barely touch) despite being friends for much longer, you'll notice that they both look like someone who doesn't play like Melissa and Zack do with a simple friend. So... they are more likely flirting this way.

      Also, from Phineas and Ferb and in Milo Murphy's Law, you see that rarely friends behave like Melissa and Zack, so it's just Dan and Swampy's style I think.

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    • I solemnly swear that Dan and Swampy's series must including 3 loves in it. Yay I am right

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    • Pretty Lightningreed (PL) wrote:
      I solemnly swear that Dan and Swampy's series must including 3 loves in it. Yay I am right </div>

      HEY MAYBE YOU'RE RIGHT MAN. 

      MELISSA+ZACK

      MILO+AMANDA

      AND SOMETHING NONE WOULD EVER EXPECT LIKE...

      SARA+JOSH

      Yes surely are these three... well, I have no idea about the last one... I just made it up.

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    • I'm behind you Josh! Anyone with your fashion sense has my support

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    • PhinFerbFan5 wrote:
      I'm behind you Josh! Anyone with your fashion sense has my support

      I do not see a username with "Josh" in it on this thread.

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    • Josh is just that obscure guy that dresses up like DZ in those two episodes. A totally major character that everyone should know about. I'm just saying if you don't know the names of every single back ground character from every scene you have no place in this chat. :P

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    • PhinFerbFan5 wrote:
      Josh is just that obscure guy that dresses up like DZ in those two episodes. A totally major character that everyone should know about. I'm just saying if you don't know the names of every single back ground character from every scene you have no place in this chat. :P

      Wow, try not to exaggerate! I kow you're kidding (I think) though it seemed very rude... maybe because we cannot hear each other's voice tone.

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    • Sorry. yeah, I was totally kidding.

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    • Morgan Lucchi wrote:
      Pretty Lightningreed (PL) wrote:
      I solemnly swear that Dan and Swampy's series must including 3 loves in it. Yay I am right </div>
      HEY MAYBE YOU'RE RIGHT MAN. 

      MELISSA+ZACK

      MILO+AMANDA

      AND SOMETHING NONE WOULD EVER EXPECT LIKE...

      SARA+JOSH

      Yes surely are these three... well, I have no idea about the last one... I just made it up.

      Okay, Sara+Josh.

      This is new. But proof?

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    • When have you gone too far
      The proof of Sara and (although some of you may have doubted)... Josh. My instincts never let me down.

      While most people walk away looking annoyed when they think Sara has wasted their time, Josh looks back with a tiny bit of concern.

      I knew that this was the irrifutable proof of their upcoming relationship

      I'm still being a bit sarcastic but take away what you will ;)

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    • Pretty Lightningreed (PL) wrote:
      Morgan Lucchi wrote:
      Pretty Lightningreed (PL) wrote:
      I solemnly swear that Dan and Swampy's series must including 3 loves in it. Yay I am right </div>
      HEY MAYBE YOU'RE RIGHT MAN. 

      MELISSA+ZACK

      MILO+AMANDA

      AND SOMETHING NONE WOULD EVER EXPECT LIKE...

      SARA+JOSH

      Yes surely are these three... well, I have no idea about the last one... I just made it up.

      Okay, Sara+Josh.

      This is new. But proof?

      Which part of "I just made it up" wasn't clear? I took two random characters that know each other to form the third unknown couple, but I don't care if that's true or not as there is no proof for nor against that.

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    • PhinFerbFan5 wrote:
      When have you gone too far
      The proof of Sara and (although some of you may have doubted)... Josh. My instincts never let me down.

      While most people walk away looking annoyed when they think Sara has wasted their time, Josh looks back with a tiny bit of concern.

      I knew that this was the irrifutable proof of their upcoming relationship

      I'm still being a bit sarcastic but take away what you will ;)

      HEY! RIGHT AND FUNNY. You're a genius, man. (Seriously)

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    • Okay, haven't realized this. WOW.

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    • PhinFerbFan5 wrote:
      Josh is just that obscure guy that dresses up like DZ in those two episodes. A totally major character that everyone should know about. I'm just saying if you don't know the names of every single back ground character from every scene you have no place in this chat. :P

      So you are a real person talking to on of the Dr. Zone fans who doughted Sara's judgment of the filming location of 1 Dr. Zone episode.

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    • Morgan Lucchi wrote:
      PhinFerbFan5 wrote:
      When have you gone too far
      The proof of Sara and (although some of you may have doubted)... Josh. My instincts never let me down.

      While most people walk away looking annoyed when they think Sara has wasted their time, Josh looks back with a tiny bit of concern.

      I knew that this was the irrifutable proof of their upcoming relationship

      I'm still being a bit sarcastic but take away what you will ;)

      HEY! RIGHT AND FUNNY. You're a genius, man. (Seriously)

      Thanks! Made my day. :D

      Paige EM. Yeah, you got it. That's what I was doing with the 'back up Josh' post.

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    • There was also the scene in "Secrets and Pies" where Zack "badgers" Melissa.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UthDAr0HUo

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    • In "Secrets and Pies" Zack shows much interest in knowing Melissa's secrets, on the other hand she says that his (creepy) method is working. I wouldn't think she would say that if he wasn't Zack as normally one would say it's just creepy... though that's not so objective as a "Proof". As well, she is very interested in seeing his past in the boyband. Also, she look some kind of delighted that "he is so sensitive".

      I already written about that. Thanks anyway

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    • Curious Poker Chip wrote:
      There was also the scene in "Secrets and Pies" where Zack "badgers" Melissa.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UthDAr0HUo

      XD Melissa's tone undergoes such a quick change

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    • Featured image at the tilte. Any word to says, people? 
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      Am I saying anything?

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    • Pretty Lightningreed (PL) wrote:
      Featured image at the tilte. Any word to says, people? 
      Screenshot 8

      Am I saying anything?

      Only one thing: Oh yeah! I knew it, I was right!

      I said kew it, I was right

      I, I knew it

      Okay oh yeah I knew it, I knew it I was right!

      If you don't get which song is this it's because someone asked to delete the page. It's not fair for me.

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    • PhinFerbFan5 wrote:



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    • Paige EM wrote:
      PhinFerbFan5 wrote:


      ?????????????????????????

      I just wanted to reply but didn't have any words to say.


      Also on a completely unrelated note, It's really weird how switching between source mode and visual can, in some situations, actually change the reply you're sending. Like when I clicked quote on Morgan Lucchi's reply, for example, it comes up normally. But if I'm in source mode and click quote on his post again it has a slightly different layout, and then if I switch between the two a space starts to grow bellow the first line. Does that happen with you guys?

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    • Morgan Lucchi wrote:
      Pretty Lightningreed (PL) wrote:
      Featured image at the tilte. Any word to says, people? 
      Screenshot 8

      Am I saying anything?

      Only one thing: Oh yeah! I knew it, I was right!

      I said kew it, I was right

      I, I knew it

      Okay oh yeah I knew it, I knew it I was right!

      If you don't get which song is this it's because someone asked to delete the page. It's not fair for me.

      Change your wikia username to Sara Murphy, dude.

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    • Pretty Lightningreed (PL) wrote:
      Morgan Lucchi wrote:
      Pretty Lightningreed (PL) wrote:
      Featured image at the tilte. Any word to says, people? 
      Screenshot 8

      Am I saying anything?

      Only one thing: Oh yeah! I knew it, I was right!

      I said kew it, I was right

      I, I knew it

      Okay oh yeah I knew it, I knew it I was right!

      If you don't get which song is this it's because someone asked to delete the page. It's not fair for me.

      Change your wikia username to Sara Murphy, dude.

      </div>

      YOU GET IT! WOOOOOOOOOOO!


      But no, my real name is Groman Er Gomino Culchi, so "Morgan Lucchi" fits it.

      Wait a second, my name isn't Groman Er Gomino Culchi! So what is it? I kinda forgot it. I would explain myself better but my left arm says I shouldn't and i can't disobey it. Sorry.

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    • I advise people not to share their real name on wikia.

      <s> Nevermind, I revealed my name on facebook already.

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    • Pretty Lightningreed (PL) wrote:
      I advise people not to share their real name on wikia.

      <s> Nevermind, I revealed my name on facebook already. </div>

      In fact I didn't say my real name. As my profile page explains, I made up "Morgan Lucchi", because I liked its sound.

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    • They even share the same fantasies!(Secrets and Pies, both imagine Melissa's a robot) Aww, that's adorable!

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    • I kinda like the Melissa-Zach pairing, but I think they work better as friends then as a couple. And anyway, I don't think that's Jeff and Swampy's style.

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    • Well, I wouldn't think it's Dan and Swampy's style for a friendship as well as a "loveship"... so, you know, this let me wonder... :-) But hey, who am I to judge a (works for both Povenmire and Marsh) genius's style? Maybe I just understood nothing. I am totally into MeliZack... MelisZack?... Zackissa? Well, I don't know, but I don't like merging names since they remain two separate beings with different wishes, personalities and dreams. Never mind, the point is just that I'd love them as a couple.

      I don't know what will happen in the near future. If we look at Phineas and Ferb we would think that any couple that will form in Milo Murphy's Law will irrealistically form at the end of the series, in a far future... but looking better at this show, I'd say it's better studied in this topic. People has already started changing ideas about stuff, this can lend to various conclusions. I mean, who says that two have to form a couple forever? What I can say is that Melissa and Zack can end up together and break up noticing they feel better seeing each other as a friend... I wouldn't like that but, who knows?

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    • I can totally understand thinking couples only get together at the end of Phineas and Ferb (My god that plot is slow, but we love it all the same), but they seem to get together at random times if you look at all the different relationships. Stacy and Coltrane get on well in The Baaaljeatles!(does anyone else always read that name with Coltrane's voice), Candace and Jeremy become offical in SBtY, Vanessa becomes something with Johnny during or after DWGtBBT(though they were hardly together)(yes they were!) and later sips with the enemy. And even though Ferb and Vanessa, and Baljeet and Ginger are only seen together in AYA they could have formed at any time in the ten years leading up to that. It seems people get together in every season. I haven't fogotten any couple have I?

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    • YES! That's totally right, you know I was only focusing on Phineas and Isabella because I see them as the "main" couple, and others totally slipped my mind... that's embarassing eh eh...

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    • But yeah. You're absolutly right about the main couple. They usually don't get together till the end in a lot of shows, especially if their relationship is used as an excuse to have lots of humourous stuff ups. And I also agree that MML is more progressive. So it will be very interesting to see where they take it.

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    • The main problem of romantic in MML is: There are too much romantic.

      Who agrees?

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    • Not me. Bring on the romance. :P

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    • Well.. I wouldn't say so for now... I mean, Bradley's interest in Melissa's been shown only few times... three? Four? And two couples or three aren't too much... plus, some of them aren't even sure couples (except for Melissa and Zack XP). Plus hey, they're teenagers, it's normal they're interested in "loveships" more than in Phineas and Ferb. I prefer they're romantic rather than... what nowadays teenagers do -_-', I mean they often are superficial and they don't even care about romance. Sure some dream of it but isn't romantic with her/his boyfriend/girlfriend. Of course I'm not talking about EVERY teen, but most of them. So I prefer romantic couples because that would teach something, I hope.

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      • and then I forgot that MML is rated Parental Guidance.
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    • I don't understand the point in this. If it's parental guidance rated what's the link with romance?

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    • Morgan Lucchi wrote:
      In "Sunny side up" they are also seen "fighting" together to save their science project. 

      They spent all day together during "Murphy Family vacation"

      In "Lard World" Melissa noticed Zack esultating when she was supposed to be facing the opposite direction. She DOES watch him a lot!

      In "Secrets and Pies" Zack shows much interest in knowing Melissa's secrets, on the other hand she says that his (creepy) method is working. I wouldn't think she would say that if he wasn't Zack as normally one would say it's just creepy... though that's not so objective as a "Proof". As well, she is very interested in seeing his past in the boyband. Also, she look some kind of delighted that "he is so sensitive".

      In "Athledecamathalon", Melissa says she wants to win "for Zack. Poor, poor Zack" despite he's fine, just in a particolar situation.

      Hey, aren't them sitting one next the each other in "The Substitute"? Yes, yes they are.

      Zack: "Hey, where's Melissa?" episode "We're going to the Zoo"

      Uhm... how many people are needed to look after coats? Well, apparently two, a boy whose name starts with a "Z" and a girl whose name starts with an "M"... That's what I learned from "School Dance" ;-) This may be Amanda's idea, though.

      Some of these aren't exactly "proofs"... but, you know. And I'm done for now... I'll always come back every now and then, mates.

      In "The Wilder West", Melissa looked a lot at Zack and Jackie. For example, when Zack saw her for the first time, when they crossed the river or when they were throwing ropes at the dummy bulls.

      These are things I just noticed, maybe she just cared about her friend.

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    • That's true!... who knows? Also she was also pleased that Zack in the end "turned back". And she followed him during his "insanity moment". Milo did the same, so this may not count.

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    • I prefer more Melissa with Milo.

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    • I found a picture from a storyboard artist of the show on Tumblr but it doesn't really prove anything.
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      I personally hope we see their relationship develop more.

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    • That is so sweet! :)

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    • I think the Melissa+Milo thing is too... how can I say that? common? stereotyped? I mean, they've been friends for many years apparently and they have to get together, they say... isn't this too much like Phineas and Isabella's relationship? At least "Phinabella" was made exagerate on purpose, for fun or something, I guess. But we already see Milo is interested in Amanda, and she may start to feel something back. What I say is that if Melissa and Milo were going to end up together, they had plenty of time to start the relationship before the series, and since apparently Melissa's and Milo's personalities didn't change when Zack appeared, I'd say there is no... "reason" for them to get together.

      Another thing: Is it only me who sees that in these 22 episodes the relationship between Zack and Melissa became more and more "physical" while I barely see Milo and Melissa sitting near each other and whatever? In fact, I see they look like getting more distant as time passes.

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    • SoulLotus wrote:
      I found a picture from a storyboard artist of the show on Tumblr but it doesn't really prove anything.
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      I personally hope we see their relationship develop more.

      It is ABSOLUTELY adorable!

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    • Another thing:

      Episode "The Undergrounders", when Milo tries to pull the lever to make the wagon go through the right rail, we see Zack standing back to him, but also Melissa who's holding back his arm. He wasn't going to be in trouble and she was already holding the wagon's pole.

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    • Pretty Lightningreed (PL) wrote:
      The main problem of romantic in MML is: There are too much romantic.

      Who agrees?

      Why don't we just let Dan and Jeff decide how much romance gets in MML? If there is no hint we'll get the ships we want then there's always fanfiction. We have had PLENTY of that in the P&F fandom.

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    • Morgan Lucchi wrote:
      SoulLotus wrote:
      I found a picture from a storyboard artist of the show on Tumblr but it doesn't really prove anything.
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      I personally hope we see their relationship develop more.

      It is ABSOLUTELY adorable!

       It was painted by a fan of the series.  Melissa is not in love at either Milo or Zack.This Melissa x Zack is as ridiculous as Scar x Nala. That Melissa and Zack have touched an episode do not mean they like it. So friends do not have to touch unless they are in love with each other?Zack is not in love with Melissa and is seen in the episode The Wilder West

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    • It was done by the storyboard artist of the show http://imaginashon.tumblr.com/ and I said it didn't prove anything because you know... she isn't a writer. It was just drawn for the sake of being drawn. Also Scar x Nala isn't a fair comparison.

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    • Nitopisa wrote:
      Morgan Lucchi wrote:
      SoulLotus wrote:
      I found a picture from a storyboard artist of the show on Tumblr but it doesn't really prove anything.
      Tumblr or8kmabV6b1ru7tbqo1 1280

      I personally hope we see their relationship develop more.

      It is ABSOLUTELY adorable!
      It was painted by a fan of the series.  Melissa is not in love at either Milo or Zack.This Melissa x Zack is as ridiculous as Scar x Nala. That Melissa and Zack have touched an episode do not mean they like it. So friends do not have to touch unless they are in love with each other?Zack is not in love with Melissa and is seen in the episode The Wilder West

      First off, comparing Zach x Melissa to Scar x Nala is ridiculous. The latter's relationship is COMPLETELY screwed up and clearly not an ideal pairing, while Zach and Melissa is a sweet coupling that could very well work.

      Second off, obviously friends can touch without having to be in a relationship. But when you have a shipping that's not quite canon, you have to look for whatever clues you can find, even if they're not meant to be read as romantic. And with a series that hasn't been airing for very long, touching is most of what we have to go on.

      Third off, "The Wilder West" doesn't prove anything. Zach had a temporary crush on Jackie, but he was over it by the end of the episode. It was a mild case of puppy love, not the set-up of her as his love interest.

      Fourth off, I absolutely adore that drawing, whether it was drawn by someone on the show or not. It doesn't have to be canon to be cute.

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    • RandomGirl1995 wrote:
      Nitopisa wrote:
      Morgan Lucchi wrote:
      SoulLotus wrote:
      I found a picture from a storyboard artist of the show on Tumblr but it doesn't really prove anything.
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      I personally hope we see their relationship develop more.

      It is ABSOLUTELY adorable!
      It was painted by a fan of the series.  Melissa is not in love at either Milo or Zack.This Melissa x Zack is as ridiculous as Scar x Nala. That Melissa and Zack have touched an episode do not mean they like it. So friends do not have to touch unless they are in love with each other?Zack is not in love with Melissa and is seen in the episode The Wilder West
      First off, comparing Zach x Melissa to Scar x Nala is ridiculous. The latter's relationship is COMPLETELY screwed up and clearly not an ideal pairing, while Zach and Melissa is a sweet coupling that could very well work.

      Second off, obviously friends can touch without having to be in a relationship. But when you have a shipping that's not quite canon, you have to look for whatever clues you can find, even if they're not meant to be read as romantic. And with a series that hasn't been airing for very long, touching is most of what we have to go on.

      Third off, "The Wilder West" doesn't prove anything. Zach had a temporary crush on Jackie, but he was over it by the end of the episode. It was a mild case of puppy love, not the set-up of her as his love interest.

      Fourth off, I absolutely adore that drawing, whether it was drawn by someone on the show or not. It doesn't have to be canon to be cute.

      I completely agree with you! That being said ill add this done by the same person check out her Tumblr. http://imaginashon.tumblr.com/ I'm done adding pics to this forum and just wanted to support her as she continues in storyboarding for this Great show. Peace!
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    • Nitopisa wrote:
      Morgan Lucchi wrote:
      SoulLotus wrote:
      I found a picture from a storyboard artist of the show on Tumblr but it doesn't really prove anything.
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      I personally hope we see their relationship develop more.

      It is ABSOLUTELY adorable!
      It was painted by a fan of the series.  Melissa is not in love at either Milo or Zack.This Melissa x Zack is as ridiculous as Scar x Nala. That Melissa and Zack have touched an episode do not mean they like it. So friends do not have to touch unless they are in love with each other?Zack is not in love with Melissa and is seen in the episode The Wilder West

      Oh come on! (Face-palming myself)

      Of course they can touch! None here is some kind of jerk who doesn't allow young people to touch unless they're going to get married. I think.

      This doesn't prove stuff and blah blah, okay, but it's still adorable for me, am I allowed to like it? (I'm kidding, I'm not angry)

      Someone already answered about the "the wilder west" thing, I'd repeat the same.

      When they embraced each other in the episode they smiled and played. Usually this means positive things, doesn't it?

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    • I don't have any evidence like others have, but they seem to exchange witty banter in a flirty way. Zack is supposed to be the new kid yet he and Melissa talk to each other as if they've been friends forever. 

      Another thing, and I know people are going to tear me to pieces over this, but in one episode she's laying on the couch quote comfortably with no socks or shoes on. And Zack is sitting right next to her. Even if they are friends, it seems kinds intimate for two non-family members to be in a position like that. But that's just my opinion.

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    • Just because Zack fell for Jackie in Wilder West does not mean that Zack and Melissa is dead. It just means that Zack more openly is attracted to Jackie than to her. Sometimes romances take longer to form than others. 

      But yes I think Ashley Michelle Simpson is a Zalissa fan from the stuff she has said/drawn. But she is just a storyboard artist and not Swampy or Dan so it cannot be canon. Still, lots of interesting ships have come out of MML. Milo+Melissa is the most common one, but I have also seen Milo+Zack, Milo+Amanda, Melissa+Bradley, and others.

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    • I hate the idea of Melissa and zack. I think milo and zack would be better.

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    • SwagSam wrote:
      I hate the idea of Melissa and zack. I think milo and zack would be better.

      cough

      So you are shipping them?
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    • Well yes. Plus we all have opinions.

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    • Anybody noticed in "Star Struck" how does Zock look at Melissa while she gave him a five?

      It's also highlighted in the end credits.

      Nobody would look at someone who doesn't like like that in such a simple situation!

      Melissa+Zack is getting a real thing....! XD

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    • I'm cynical about the implication of such a look that seemed innocent enough to me, but I don't have any argument against all of these scenes with the two being highlighted in the end credits, that is interesting.

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    • I hope Milo and Melissa end up together more But Who knows we may find out who ends up together in a time travel episode where they meet their future selfs.

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    • Honestly? I've supported Melissa and Zack as a couple since day one. However, I trust Dan and Swampy to choose the right pairings to support. I agree with many of the people here; Milo and Melissa seems a bit cliché, which Dan and Swampy seem to have an ambiguous, but mostly negative view on. Besides, does the plot 'childhood friends fall for each other' sound familiar? Yep, thought so; that's literally the basis for Phinabella (which I personally adore). I think that Zack and Melissa is more probable, as Dan and Swampy are innovative people who never fail to shake things up. I doubt I'll complain regardless of who the show decides they ought to put together. Note that this is my personal opinion, and is by no means meant to be taken personally. We all love this show, and that's all that really matters in the end. But, to conclude, I definitely support Zack and Melissa the most. I wish more people would write fanfics about these two!

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    • Morgan Lucchi wrote:
      Anybody noticed in "Star Struck" how does Zock look at Melissa while she gave him a five?

      It's also highlighted in the end credits.

      Nobody would look at someone who doesn't like like that in such a simple situation!

      Melissa+Zack is getting a real thing....! XD

      Yeah and also they say that Dan Povenmire actually edits the ending credits so that to me says a lot but who knows how it's going but here's hoping for the best!

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    • Morgan Lucchi wrote: Anybody noticed in "Star Struck" how does Zock look at Melissa while she gave him a five?

      It's also highlighted in the end credits.

      Nobody would look at someone who doesn't like like that in such a simple situation!

      Melissa+Zack is getting a real thing....! XD

      That part never happened in that episode. I don't know why they decided to put it there in the first place.

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    • Yes, it did after he roasted Milo's hat. Also maybe to allude to something? :)
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    • JS-4422 wrote:

      Morgan Lucchi wrote: Anybody noticed in "Star Struck" how does Zock look at Melissa while she gave him a five?

      It's also highlighted in the end credits.

      Nobody would look at someone who doesn't like like that in such a simple situation!

      Melissa+Zack is getting a real thing....! XD

      That part never happened in that episode. I don't know why they decided to put it there in the first place.

      Actually it DID happen in the episode, I went back to see that part! 

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    • Oh now I've noticed but the people weren't behind them.

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    • Melissa+Zack? Hmm... Cutie and beautiful ship!!!

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    • Buford and Baljeet comment on them being a couple multiple times in S2E1, "The Phineas and Ferb Effect." Seems like they're setting up a new arc... I personally think it's going to happen. I mean, I would be fine with Milo and Melissa but she just doesn't have as much chemistry with him as she does with Zack. Also Milo is getting together with Amanda anyway, she kissed him on the cheek in S2E7a. So yep. Just a little update since it looks like no one's been on this thread in a while.

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    • SoulLotus wrote:

      I found a picture from a storyboard artist of the show on Tumblr but it doesn't really prove anything.
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      I personally hope we see their relationship develop more.

      By the way, I freaking love this picture. And from a storyboard artist, no less! I mean, it may as well be fanart in this context, but that still kind of helps our case. At least a little.

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    • I hope they become a couple before the end of the season. It's not clear how long this series has. Unlike some other Disney shows, it hasn't been greenlit for future seasons, and that's not a good sign.

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    • I completely agree, as time passes my theory gets more likely. In fact, if you think about it, it would be weird they hint so much at them being a couple, but nothing happened!

      Also, Milo Murphy's Law is being treated like garbage by Disney. First a non planned 1.5 years long hiatus, then it hired in the whole world BUT USA, which is so wrong! There is no merchandise, no news, nothing. If it is cancelled, it will be Disney's fault! I mean, the show is great, objectively. If Phineas and Ferb had success, it would make no sense that this show doesn't.

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    • I wonder if that posted

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    • Guese not. I said that i've been reading over this thread and I like how I wasn't the only one seeing the connections since day 1. Happy to say that Zalissa is canon as of the season 2 finale, but the show might not continue so that's unfortunate.

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    • IT BETTER BE RENEWED FOR ANOTHER SEASON OR I AM DONE WITH DISNEY XD!! 

      And not gonna lie, this disappointed me greatly. While I don;t hate Amanda, I wanted Milo with Melissa. And I do think Milo and Melissa DO touch sometimes in several eps. 

      But if we get a season 3, I'll give. Though I'll be more on the side of Milo/Amanda. I at least wanna hear Amanda say she's sorry to Milo for all the times she avoided him before. 

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    • Face it, Disney is still in love with Phineas and Ferb...and I for one am TIRED OF IT!! I'm sick of all the marathons and tired of constantly hearing people say they miss it and this show is not Phineas and Ferb. No, no it is NOT! BECASUE IT'S A DIFFERENT SHOW ENTIRELY!! 

      This show is JUST as good and P & F and  IT BETTER GET ANOTHER SEASON!! It's not fair for P & F to get 4 seasons and this show to only get half of that! I mean it, I will never ever watch another show on Disney XD if this is NOT renewed!! I'll block the channel on my DVR! WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HEAR  SOMETHING LAST TUESDAY! I WANT ANOTHER SEASON AND I WANT IT NOW!

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    • MelissaFan1 wrote:
      IT BETTER BE RENEWED FOR ANOTHER SEASON OR I AM DONE WITH DISNEY XD!! 

      And not gonna lie, this disappointed me greatly. While I don;t hate Amanda, I wanted Milo with Melissa. And I do think Milo and Melissa DO touch sometimes in several eps. 

      But if we get a season 3, I'll give. Though I'll be more on the side of Milo/Amanda. I at least wanna hear Amanda say she's sorry to Milo for all the times she avoided him before. 

      It's a different kind of touch: Milo and Melissa are confident with each other because they have been knowing each other for years. Melissa and Zack, on the other hand, haven't. This means when Milo and Melissa share some "huggy" moment, they don't feel awkward, while Melissa and Zack DO. Which means they purposely continue to do it, even more than Melissa and Milo do, just because they really wanna get in touch with each other. (Plus, being 13, we all know what hormones do. Don't interpret this in the "adult" way, it doesn't have to be like that.)


      My thought on MiloxAmanda are pretty negative, to be honest. I don't remember if I said it before, but I don't really like that every time a character has a love interest for someone, they have to actually end up with them. It's unrealistic. In real life, you often have to accept that someone doesn't like you back the same way as you do, and it doesn't matter how much of a great person you are, they won't change their mind. END. So you ought to find someone else to love. That's how it works, and it's what I hoped we would see here. But instead we got Amanda to change her mind... yaaay...  I'll be honest, I like how it turned out, but I don't like the transition from fear to love. (WAIT ISN'T THIS LIKE THE BEAUTY AND THE BEAST? STOKHOLM SYNDROME? lol).

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    • MelissaFan1 wrote:
      Face it, Disney is still in love with Phineas and Ferb...and I for one am TIRED OF IT!! I'm sick of all the marathons and tired of constantly hearing people say they miss it and this show is not Phineas and Ferb. No, no it is NOT! BECASUE IT'S A DIFFERENT SHOW ENTIRELY!! 

      This show is JUST as good and P & F and  IT BETTER GET ANOTHER SEASON!! It's not fair for P & F to get 4 seasons and this show to only get half of that! I mean it, I will never ever watch another show on Disney XD if this is NOT renewed!! I'll block the channel on my DVR! WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HEAR  SOMETHING LAST TUESDAY! I WANT ANOTHER SEASON AND I WANT IT NOW!

      I agree that people shouldn't care only about Phineas and Ferb. Milo Murphy's Law showed to be able to develop characters way further than Phineas and Ferb. On the other hand, Phineas ad Ferb felt more origina, like Zack himself said at some point, Milo Murphy's Law begun to just show stuff explode. It was funny till the end, but I can sadly say it sometimes got predictable, while I can't remember Phineas and Ferb giving me this feeling.​​​

      Also, while the first story arc, with the Pistachions and all, was simply GENIUS, the aliens story arc wasn't that awesome. I think the end wasn't as exciting as episodes like "Missing Milo" was.

      Also, I'm okay with the constant references to Phineas and Ferb, since they are set in the same universe, unlike plenty of people who apparently just have to complain about it for no real reason.

      But something must be said: in Milo Murphy's Law, unlike in Phineas and Ferb, we actually see development. HUGE character development. We see not only romantic relationships, but music bands, past fellow musicians, arguments that break friendships temporarily, people going through the toughest path of changing from evil to good... This, done like in Milo Murphy's Law, is something that puts it in a different plan of existance from Phineas and Ferb.

      "And if you liked Phineas, you'll like this too!", unless Disney fucks everything up just to squeeze money around without giving any chance to a new show.

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    • It;s not like Stokholm Syndrome, Milo never kidnapped Amanda, held her captive, or forced her to like him in any way! (can;t even imagine him doing anything like that!) Milo in fact never even HAD to change, he was his confident, super sweet self all throughout. 

      Again, really wanted MiloLissa, but in defense of Amanda, it;s also realistic that people CAN change. People can see that they were wrong about something or someone. People make mistakes or have misunderstandings, that's part of life too. Amandas not a bad person, and unlike some other charatcers (ahem- Bradley) she comes to see that there;'s a lot more to Milo than his condition! That's why I do support them a LOT MORE than Zack and Melissa. Sorry, do not see it, never have seen it. never wanted to see it. Gues it's becasue it WAS thrown together, whereas Milo and Amanda actually grew and developed over 2 seasons. Milo and Amanda in a way IS more believeable. Zack and Melissa were thrown together. 

      STILL want MiloLissa....but guess have to settle for MiLanda. Fine, fine. But I will NOT root for ZackLissa. 

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    • Morgan Lucchi wrote:
      MelissaFan1 wrote:
      Face it, Disney is still in love with Phineas and Ferb...and I for one am TIRED OF IT!! I'm sick of all the marathons and tired of constantly hearing people say they miss it and this show is not Phineas and Ferb. No, no it is NOT! BECASUE IT'S A DIFFERENT SHOW ENTIRELY!! 

      This show is JUST as good and P & F and  IT BETTER GET ANOTHER SEASON!! It's not fair for P & F to get 4 seasons and this show to only get half of that! I mean it, I will never ever watch another show on Disney XD if this is NOT renewed!! I'll block the channel on my DVR! WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HEAR  SOMETHING LAST TUESDAY! I WANT ANOTHER SEASON AND I WANT IT NOW!

      I agree that people shouldn't care only about Phineas and Ferb. Milo Murphy's Law showed to be able to develop characters way further than Phineas and Ferb. On the other hand, Phineas ad Ferb felt more origina, like Zack himself said at some point, Milo Murphy's Law begun to just show stuff explode. It was funny till the end, but I can sadly say it sometimes got predictable, while I can't remember Phineas and Ferb giving me this feeling.​​​

      Also, while the first story arc, with the Pistachions and all, was simply GENIUS, the aliens story arc wasn't that awesome. I think the end wasn't as exciting as episodes like "Missing Milo" was.

      Also, I'm okay with the constant references to Phineas and Ferb, since they are set in the same universe, unlike plenty of people who apparently just have to complain about it for no real reason.

      But something must be said: in Milo Murphy's Law, unlike in Phineas and Ferb, we actually see development. HUGE character development. We see not only romantic relationships, but music bands, past fellow musicians, arguments that break friendships temporarily, people going through the toughest path of changing from evil to good... This, done like in Milo Murphy's Law, is something that puts it in a different plan of existance from Phineas and Ferb.

      "And if you liked Phineas, you'll like this too!", unless Disney fucks everything up just to squeeze money around without giving any chance to a new show.

      Exactly!! It's a great show and this damn channel is NOT giving it the respect and admiration it deserves. They should sell the right permenently to Disney XD, they treated it better, put it on at a decent time, and advertised it! And THEY were the ones who has that two day marathion when the season finale aired! 

      Bit if both Disney AND Disney XD ruins everything. I AM DONE WITH BOTH OF THEM BUT GOOD! I haven;t watched anything on either of those channels ever since they replaced the Milo reruns with Ducktales (honestly, that show is become the new Phineas and Ferb) and I will continue to boycott until Milo comes back!

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    • Morgan Lucchi wrote:

      MelissaFan1 wrote:
      Face it, Disney is still in love with Phineas and Ferb...and I for one am TIRED OF IT!! I'm sick of all the marathons and tired of constantly hearing people say they miss it and this show is not Phineas and Ferb. No, no it is NOT! BECASUE IT'S A DIFFERENT SHOW ENTIRELY!! 

      This show is JUST as good and P & F and  IT BETTER GET ANOTHER SEASON!! It's not fair for P & F to get 4 seasons and this show to only get half of that! I mean it, I will never ever watch another show on Disney XD if this is NOT renewed!! I'll block the channel on my DVR! WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HEAR  SOMETHING LAST TUESDAY! I WANT ANOTHER SEASON AND I WANT IT NOW!

      I agree that people shouldn't care only about Phineas and Ferb. Milo Murphy's Law showed to be able to develop characters way further than Phineas and Ferb. On the other hand, Phineas ad Ferb felt more origina, like Zack himself said at some point, Milo Murphy's Law begun to just show stuff explode. It was funny till the end, but I can sadly say it sometimes got predictable, while I can't remember Phineas and Ferb giving me this feeling.​​​

      Also, while the first story arc, with the Pistachions and all, was simply GENIUS, the aliens story arc wasn't that awesome. I think the end wasn't as exciting as episodes like "Missing Milo" was.

      Also, I'm okay with the constant references to Phineas and Ferb, since they are set in the same universe, unlike plenty of people who apparently just have to complain about it for no real reason.

      But something must be said: in Milo Murphy's Law, unlike in Phineas and Ferb, we actually see development. HUGE character development. We see not only romantic relationships, but music bands, past fellow musicians, arguments that break friendships temporarily, people going through the toughest path of changing from evil to good... This, done like in Milo Murphy's Law, is something that puts it in a different plan of existance from Phineas and Ferb.

      "And if you liked Phineas, you'll like this too!", unless Disney fucks everything up just to squeeze money around without giving any chance to a new show.

      Phineas and Ferb wasn’t predictable? Literally the exact same thing happened in every single episode! At least Milo was actually different in every episode and they were able to do some really cool things that they never could’ve done in Phineas and Ferb. Phineas and Ferb would never have had Doof turn good and start doing completely different stuff in every episode. And then have Perry actually help Doof be good but then Doof gets mad at him and they stop being friends for like half the season. Phineas and Ferb was so stuck to the formula they never would’ve had a permanent change like that that lasts for several episodes. They just end every episode with everything going back to normal so that they can do the same thing again (but slightly different) the next day. But Milo actually has continuous plots.

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    • Not to mention really good character development too, not just Doof but Amanda as well and how she learns that you should take the time to get to know someone instead of judging them by one or two faults. Sometimes the one you think is a 'jinx' could turn out to be the sweetest person in the world. 

      And you could understand quite a lot of the characters in it as well, and their reasons and motivations. Like the one thing I never understood in Phineas and Ferb is WHY Candace was so obsessed with busting her brothers? It;s not like they did anything wrong! Hionestly, they were using their imaginations and building a lot of cool stuff and having fun. Not like they stole the stuff, they always asked permission, and they were always careful. I don;t see what they were doing that was so wrong! 

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    • BastianGT wrote:
      As they say, it is still too early to give something as fact. But the idea of a Melissa / Zack intrigues me more than a Milo / Melissa.

      Time flies!

      I hope that if we get a season 3, they will develop much more the relationship of Zack and Melissa.
      And more of Milo and Amanda, that's good too.

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    • Sorry, do not like ZackLissa, nevr saw it, never wanted it, still don;t. 

      I'm gearing toward MiLanda, if we MUST have MilLanda and hope to see more of that, less of this. 

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    • I think the reason Morgan Lucchi thinks PnF is less predictable, is because PnF often plays around with their formula in such unpredictable ways, especially as the series goes on.

      That said, it still follows a strict formula, something which Milo entirely avoids.

      As for why Candace wants to bust Phineas and Ferb? Well, it seems that in some Season 1 episodes, Candace thinks that Phineas and Ferb are genuinely doing malicious stuff (see the E.V.I.L. B.O.Y.S. song, or her thoughts in "Do Nothing Day"), but that tidbit dropped in later seasons. Some speculate that Candace is genuinely concerned about her brothers' safety, as some thing they have built DO look dangerous.

      Personally though, I always thought Candace was just jealous of Phineas and Ferb's amazing skills, as most of her talents are really ordinary in comparison, despite being the big sister. There has been loads and loads of moments in the show that Candace is self-conscious, too, so it adds up.

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    • Guess so, but if I were Candance I'd be more impressed than anything! I'd be like, "My brother's are flipping geniuses!" and I'd probably try to exploit them! Hee,hee. 

      But yeah, so agree with you. Milo is JUST as good and deserves JUST as much praise and respect as Phineas and Ferb and if Disney doesn;t wanna give it, they should sell it permenently to Disney XD, they knew how to treat it.

      Of course THAT channel is now obsesssed with Ducktales! (SERIOUSLY, IT'S GOT A FRIGGEN SEASON 3 ALREADY?!) 

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    • Disney XD is owned by Disney. That would be like if Disney sold The Lion King to Pixar.

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    • Phineas&Milo n Gravity Falls wrote:
      Disney XD is owned by Disney. That would be like if Disney sold The Lion King to Pixar.

      Well not sell it then, but Disney Channel should just let Disney XD have the rights to it then. They treated it much better than Disney Channel ever did! 

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    • Actually Disney and Disney XD both owned it. but Disney XD should have it permenently (if they EVER get of their Ducktakes kick) because they treated it 100% better!!

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    • Phineas&Milo n Gravity Falls wrote:

      Morgan Lucchi wrote:

      MelissaFan1 wrote:
      Face it, Disney is still in love with Phineas and Ferb...and I for one am TIRED OF IT!! I'm sick of all the marathons and tired of constantly hearing people say they miss it and this show is not Phineas and Ferb. No, no it is NOT! BECASUE IT'S A DIFFERENT SHOW ENTIRELY!! 

      This show is JUST as good and P & F and  IT BETTER GET ANOTHER SEASON!! It's not fair for P & F to get 4 seasons and this show to only get half of that! I mean it, I will never ever watch another show on Disney XD if this is NOT renewed!! I'll block the channel on my DVR! WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HEAR  SOMETHING LAST TUESDAY! I WANT ANOTHER SEASON AND I WANT IT NOW!

      I agree that people shouldn't care only about Phineas and Ferb. Milo Murphy's Law showed to be able to develop characters way further than Phineas and Ferb. On the other hand, Phineas ad Ferb felt more origina, like Zack himself said at some point, Milo Murphy's Law begun to just show stuff explode. It was funny till the end, but I can sadly say it sometimes got predictable, while I can't remember Phineas and Ferb giving me this feeling.​​​

      Also, while the first story arc, with the Pistachions and all, was simply GENIUS, the aliens story arc wasn't that awesome. I think the end wasn't as exciting as episodes like "Missing Milo" was.

      Also, I'm okay with the constant references to Phineas and Ferb, since they are set in the same universe, unlike plenty of people who apparently just have to complain about it for no real reason.

      But something must be said: in Milo Murphy's Law, unlike in Phineas and Ferb, we actually see development. HUGE character development. We see not only romantic relationships, but music bands, past fellow musicians, arguments that break friendships temporarily, people going through the toughest path of changing from evil to good... This, done like in Milo Murphy's Law, is something that puts it in a different plan of existance from Phineas and Ferb.

      "And if you liked Phineas, you'll like this too!", unless Disney fucks everything up just to squeeze money around without giving any chance to a new show.

      Phineas and Ferb wasn’t predictable? Literally the exact same thing happened in every single episode! At least Milo was actually different in every episode and they were able to do some really cool things that they never could’ve done in Phineas and Ferb. Phineas and Ferb would never have had Doof turn good and start doing completely different stuff in every episode. And then have Perry actually help Doof be good but then Doof gets mad at him and they stop being friends for like half the season. Phineas and Ferb was so stuck to the formula they never would’ve had a permanent change like that that lasts for several episodes. They just end every episode with everything going back to normal so that they can do the same thing again (but slightly different) the next day. But Milo actually has continuous plots.

      That's what most people say. But they don't get the whole point of the show. Phineas adn Ferb was never repetitive because you can never guess HOW those things are gonna happen. For example, if anyone ever tells you that they could figure out that in the episode "S'winter" Doof's -inator wasn't gonna melt the snow mountain, but it was gonna create a blackout that would prevent the fans from working, which IN TURN made the mountain melt, that someone is lying. That's what I mean. Phineas and Ferb was never predictable in this sense. Instead, in some situations, I could clearly predict "Hey, that thing is gonna fall. Hey, the aliens are actually going to help him in the end, despite saying they don't want anymore.".

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    • MelissaFan1 wrote:
      Not to mention really good character development too, not just Doof but Amanda as well and how she learns that you should take the time to get to know someone instead of judging them by one or two faults. Sometimes the one you think is a 'jinx' could turn out to be the sweetest person in the world. 

      And you could understand quite a lot of the characters in it as well, and their reasons and motivations. Like the one thing I never understood in Phineas and Ferb is WHY Candace was so obsessed with busting her brothers? It;s not like they did anything wrong! Hionestly, they were using their imaginations and building a lot of cool stuff and having fun. Not like they stole the stuff, they always asked permission, and they were always careful. I don;t see what they were doing that was so wrong! 

      The reasons Candace wants to bust them are plenty, and all of them are pretty obvious. She thinks they are dangerous (Which they often are) She thinks they are just trying to make her look crazy in front of their mom She thinks they sometimes do something bad (Like in "do nothing day", she figures Phineas doing an evil laugh) But what I always thought, is that after a while she just wanted to make sure her mother didn't think of her as insane. I mean, after all that time during which your own mother doesn't take you seriously, it's normal that your wish to prove you are right grows!

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      Sorry, do not like ZackLissa, nevr saw it, never wanted it, still don;t. 

      I'm gearing toward MiLanda, if we MUST have MilLanda and hope to see more of that, less of this. 

      Wait, HOW did you NOT see it?

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    • Simple, therreMorgan Lucchi wrote:
      MelissaFan1 wrote:
      Sorry, do not like ZackLissa, nevr saw it, never wanted it, still don;t. 

      I'm gearing toward MiLanda, if we MUST have MilLanda and hope to see more of that, less of this. 

      Wait, HOW did you NOT see it?

      Simple, there was NO CHEMISTRY between them,. not at all. I never ever saw any. Zack just said something annoying or out of line and Melissa punched him. Wow, match made in Heaven! I would like to point out that Melissa NEVER raised her hand to Milo and Amanda never once hit him either.,

      To me the writers just threw them together at the very last minute, to either "pair the spares" or have a salt-and-pepper pairing. (NO I am NOT racist, I'm just tired of the fact that we must have one interracial couple in almost everything Disney owns now, just for the sake of having one!) At least MilLanda grew and developed over time and was believeable. 

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    • Morgan Lucchi wrote:
      MelissaFan1 wrote:
      Not to mention really good character development too, not just Doof but Amanda as well and how she learns that you should take the time to get to know someone instead of judging them by one or two faults. Sometimes the one you think is a 'jinx' could turn out to be the sweetest person in the world. 

      And you could understand quite a lot of the characters in it as well, and their reasons and motivations. Like the one thing I never understood in Phineas and Ferb is WHY Candace was so obsessed with busting her brothers? It;s not like they did anything wrong! Hionestly, they were using their imaginations and building a lot of cool stuff and having fun. Not like they stole the stuff, they always asked permission, and they were always careful. I don;t see what they were doing that was so wrong! 

      The reasons Candace wants to bust them are plenty, and all of them are pretty obvious.

      She thinks they are dangerous (Which they often are) She thinks they are just trying to make her look crazy in front of their mom She thinks they sometimes do something bad (Like in "do nothing day", she figures Phineas doing an evil laugh) But what I always thought, is that after a while she just wanted to make sure her mother didn't think of her as insane. I mean, after all that time during which your own mother doesn't take you seriously, it's normal that your wish to prove you are right grows!

      Candance should know when to quit. I mean it should be obvious to her that her Mom would never see what her brothers were doing, so after a while she should have thrown in the towel. The more she tried the more her Mom thought she was losing it. If she didn;t wanna be confined to the hospital she should have just given up and let them do their things. They mnevr got hurt and they were impressive to see anyway. 

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    • MelissaFan1 wrote:

      Simple, therreMorgan Lucchi wrote:
      MelissaFan1 wrote:
      Sorry, do not like ZackLissa, nevr saw it, never wanted it, still don;t. 

      I'm gearing toward MiLanda, if we MUST have MilLanda and hope to see more of that, less of this. 

      Wait, HOW did you NOT see it?

      Simple, there was NO CHEMISTRY between them,. not at all. I never ever saw any. Zack just said something annoying or out of line and Melissa punched him. Wow, match made in Heaven! I would like to point out that Melissa NEVER raised her hand to Milo and Amanda never once hit him either.,

      To me the writers just threw them together at the very last minute, to either "pair the spares" or have a salt-and-pepper pairing. (NO I am NOT racist, I'm just tired of the fact that we must have one interracial couple in almost everything Disney owns now, just for the sake of having one!) At least MilLanda grew and developed over time and was believeable. 

      Um, consider this.

      If they REALLY had no chemistry, why do they still hang out with each other? And I don't mean alongside Milo either, since they've been seen together without him in Family Vacation and Fungus Among Us, even though they're not obligated to. Even in School Dance, Melissa and Zack accepted to attend the coat check together.

      Even if the end goal is related to Milo, the two still do it together if Milo himself isn't there. If they really did hate each other, they would split up immediately.

      There's also friendly teases between the two, with that "questy" moment in The Math Book suspiciously flirty.

      And this is all Season 1! Everything I mentioned so far was before Buford called them a couple. An in Season 2, them hanging out together without Milo still shows up frequently.

      That punching thing is basically Season 2's version of their betting running gag in Season 1, although the latter was more of a competitive streak.

      I can understand why punching someone in the shoulder would be considered the opposite of good chemistry, but since Melissa and Zack are friends, I doubt Melissa would try to seriously hurt Zack. I believe that Melissa is punching him a bit more lightly, but still hard enough to show that she's upset with what he has said (and Zack is being a wuss about it).

      I think it's evident that Melissa wants to toughen Zack up a bit, as she appears more interested in him when Zack states he's done with being afraid in Sphere and Loathing, hence the punching habit in S2.

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    • Arend wrote:

      MelissaFan1 wrote:

      Simple, therreMorgan Lucchi wrote:
      MelissaFan1 wrote:
      Sorry, do not like ZackLissa, nevr saw it, never wanted it, still don;t. 

      I'm gearing toward MiLanda, if we MUST have MilLanda and hope to see more of that, less of this. 

      Wait, HOW did you NOT see it?
      Simple, there was NO CHEMISTRY between them,. not at all. I never ever saw any. Zack just said something annoying or out of line and Melissa punched him. Wow, match made in Heaven! I would like to point out that Melissa NEVER raised her hand to Milo and Amanda never once hit him either.,

      To me the writers just threw them together at the very last minute, to either "pair the spares" or have a salt-and-pepper pairing. (NO I am NOT racist, I'm just tired of the fact that we must have one interracial couple in almost everything Disney owns now, just for the sake of having one!) At least MilLanda grew and developed over time and was believeable. 

      Um, consider this.

      If they REALLY had no chemistry, why do they still hang out with each other? And I don't mean alongside Milo either, since they've been seen together without him in Family Vacation and Fungus Among Us, even though they're not obligated to. Even in School Dance, Melissa and Zack accepted to attend the coat check together.

      Even if the end goal is related to Milo, the two still do it together if Milo himself isn't there. If they really did hate each other, they would split up immediately.

      There's also friendly teases between the two, with that "questy" moment in The Math Book suspiciously flirty.

      And this is all Season 1! Everything I mentioned so far was before Buford called them a couple. An in Season 2, them hanging out together without Milo still shows up frequently.

      That punching thing is basically Season 2's version of their betting running gag in Season 1, although the latter was more of a competitive streak.

      I can understand why punching someone in the shoulder would be considered the opposite of good chemistry, but since Melissa and Zack are friends, I doubt Melissa would try to seriously hurt Zack. I believe that Melissa is punching him a bit more lightly, but still hard enough to show that she's upset with what he has said (and Zack is being a wuss about it).

      I think it's evident that Melissa wants to toughen Zack up a bit, as she appears more interested in him when Zack states he's done with being afraid in Sphere and Loathing, hence the punching habit in S2.

      I never said they hated each other, they're best friends of course they don;t hate each other! I said no romantic chemistry not that they out and out dislike each other! 

      And IF Melissa wants someone tough why NOT go for Milo?! She openly says he;s tough lots of times, he's been nothing but nice to her, he has never said anything that outwardly made her mad and she has NEVER HIT HIM!

      And if you're gonna argue it;s because they're best friends...so are Melissa and Zack!

      And I STILL say there is no chemistry!! I do not see it!! 

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      MelissaFan1 wrote:




      Simple, therreMorgan Lucchi wrote:
      MelissaFan1 wrote:
      Sorry, do not like ZackLissa, nevr saw it, never wanted it, still don;t. 

      I'm gearing toward MiLanda, if we MUST have MilLanda and hope to see more of that, less of this. 

      Wait, HOW did you NOT see it?
      Simple, there was NO CHEMISTRY between them,. not at all. I never ever saw any. Zack just said something annoying or out of line and Melissa punched him. Wow, match made in Heaven! I would like to point out that Melissa NEVER raised her hand to Milo and Amanda never once hit him either.,

      To me the writers just threw them together at the very last minute, to either "pair the spares" or have a salt-and-pepper pairing. (NO I am NOT racist, I'm just tired of the fact that we must have one interracial couple in almost everything Disney owns now, just for the sake of having one!) At least MilLanda grew and developed over time and was believeable. 

      Um, consider this.

      If they REALLY had no chemistry, why do they still hang out with each other? And I don't mean alongside Milo either, since they've been seen together without him in Family Vacation and Fungus Among Us, even though they're not obligated to. Even in School Dance, Melissa and Zack accepted to attend the coat check together.

      Even if the end goal is related to Milo, the two still do it together if Milo himself isn't there. If they really did hate each other, they would split up immediately.

      There's also friendly teases between the two, with that "questy" moment in The Math Book suspiciously flirty.

      And this is all Season 1! Everything I mentioned so far was before Buford called them a couple. An in Season 2, them hanging out together without Milo still shows up frequently.

      That punching thing is basically Season 2's version of their betting running gag in Season 1, although the latter was more of a competitive streak.

      I can understand why punching someone in the shoulder would be considered the opposite of good chemistry, but since Melissa and Zack are friends, I doubt Melissa would try to seriously hurt Zack. I believe that Melissa is punching him a bit more lightly, but still hard enough to show that she's upset with what he has said (and Zack is being a wuss about it).

      I think it's evident that Melissa wants to toughen Zack up a bit, as she appears more interested in him when Zack states he's done with being afraid in Sphere and Loathing, hence the punching habit in S2.

      DoofsDayOut (31)
      60 stop making up words
      102 S&amp;P
      106 S&amp;P actually

      Zack likes to play with her and she likes it. ;)

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    • She likes being with Milo too and he plays with her too!

      Why is it not OK for Milo and Melissa to be best friends-turned-boyfriend and girlfriend but OK for THESE two?! It;'s still best friends turned-boyfriend and girlfriend (it pained me to type that) Why one and not the other? If ONE is cliche, they should BOTH be cliche!

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    • It's alright if you don't ship it. I get that you think it's cliche---I myself am often annoyed when a fandom puts two friends together just because they have "chemistry." Sometimes it's okay, even better, for friends to be friends! Not every close relationship has to be romantic.

      On the other hand, I don't see anything too wrong with ZachLissa. It's not really a "serious" ship, if you'll mind the phrase---it's just a cute idea, for fun. Look through the beginning of the thread, and you'll see what I mean. Milo and Melissa have a great relationship, but little chemistry. Melissa and Zach clearly do have chemistry, romantic or otherwise. Some people just prefer to read it as romantic. And it's not like the show is pushing it---their banter is easily read as friendly and platonic, and the only endorsement we've gotten from the crew is from a couple of people behind the scenes who thought it was a cute idea.

      Basically, ZachLissa is unique because it evenly balances the line between "friendship" and "romance." You can ship it. You can not ship it. There's no pressure either way. :)

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    • NO...the opposite is true. Milo and Melissa have chemistry!! There IS chemistry!!! Zack and Melissa DO NOT!! 

      And if it's better FOR "friends to be friends" as you so apatly put it, YOU should not be pushing ZackLissa either!! And putting the black girl with the white girl JUST for diversity is NOT cute or fun, just tired, cause it's happening all the time! 

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    • MelissaFan1 wrote: NO...the opposite is true. Milo and Melissa have chemistry!! There IS chemistry!!! Zack and Melissa DO NOT!! 

      And if it's better FOR "friends to be friends" as you so apatly put it, YOU should not be pushing ZackLissa either!! And putting the black girl with the white girl JUST for diversity is NOT cute or fun, just tired, cause it's happening all the time! 

      It's better for friends to be friends because there aren't enough friendships in popular media. That doesn't mean you can't ship friends together---it just means that not all friends need to be shipped. And I'm a little offended that you think people are shipping ZachLissa just for the "diversity." I ship it because I think they're cute together, not because one is black and one is white. I think they're a cute couple. Evidently you don't, and that's fine. End of story.

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    • MelissaFan1 wrote:

      And IF Melissa wants someone tough why NOT go for Milo?! She openly says he;s tough lots of times, he's been nothing but nice to her, he has never said anything that outwardly made her mad and she has NEVER HIT HIM!

      And if you're gonna argue it;s because they're best friends...so are Melissa and Zack!

      This may go a bit into speculation territory, but I believe Melissa is well aware that Milo is crushing on Amanda for quite a while. Milo has had to meet her on the same day as Melissa, meaning they would've known each other for about seven years as well. Milo could've developed a crush on Amanda in any of those seven years, and Melissa may have supported the idea of them together early on as well.

      If Melissa ever had a crush on Milo, she might've decided to keep it to herself and/or forget about it altogether due to the idea that Milo might find it awkward, afraid that it would ruin their friendship. Melissa might've found it more important to remain friends with Milo than disregarding Milo's own crush on Amanda by telling she's had a crush on him instead, risking their friendship.

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    • But wouldn;t she be worried going with Zack might ruin THEIR friendship too?! 

      Yeah, they have known each other for seven years, as refernced in First Impressions when you can see (cute) little Amanda on the bus. (but quick question...WHY THE HECK ARE THEY ALL WEARING THE SAME CLOTHES?)

      Like I said, Melissa and Zack are best friends too, so all of this about ruining a friendship with a relationship could apply to them too, right? 

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    • MelissaFan1 wrote: But wouldn;t she be worried going with Zack might ruin THEIR friendship too?! 

      Yeah, they have known each other for seven years, as refernced in First Impressions when you can see (cute) little Amanda on the bus. (but quick question...WHY THE HECK ARE THEY ALL WEARING THE SAME CLOTHES?)

      Like I said, Melissa and Zack are best friends too, so all of this about ruining a friendship with a relationship could apply to them too, right? 

      I don't think you fully understand what I was getting at. I suppose I could've been a bit clearer about it, so my bad.

      Like I said, Melissa wouldn't risk her friendship by confessing because she cherishes her friendship with Milo so much... however, she also wouldn't do it because she respects Milo's crush on Amanda.

      Also note that I begun the second paragraph with an "if". That's because there isn't any clear evidence that Melissa even likes Milo like that. Right now, it's just a hypothetical. For all we know, Melissa may haven't had a crush on anyone until Zack came into the picture.

      But even if she did crush on Milo... Zack's a different case. Zack currently doesn't have a crush. And the one time he did have one, it's handled completely differently compared to Milo's crush on Amanda:

      1. While Milo remains himself while trying to impress or help Amanda, Zack just followed Jackie's every whim and pretended to love danger just as much as she did, just to impress her.
      2. Unlike with Milo on Amanda, Melissa was a bit annoyed at Zack about Jackie. Not only did she dislike that Zack's acting completely out of character just to impress a girl he just met, but she was also concerned about Jackie's lust for danger. I should mention that Milo feels the same way about the predicament.
      3. Zack eventually realized that Jackie was a bit of a nutcase and stopped crushing on her by the end of the day.

      I know it seems tangenty and complicated, but the gist is that Zack isn't currently crushing on anyone, and Melissa clearly didn't approve of the last time he had crushed on somebody (which could be a sign of jealousy? Eh, another hypothetical).

      Also, about your side question: it's a cartoon. Do we REALLY need to question why their clothes are about the same back then as in the present?

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    • I thought Melissa was annoyed that Zack kept deliberately putting himself in danger, not jealousy. Even Milo was looking at him all thoughout the episode like, 'You're nuts!'

      And yeah, Milo is the epitome of what people keep saying, 'Just be yourself.' Milo is without a doubt the most comfortable being himself and has no need to act differently to impress anyone, and that's how he won Amanda. Just being his sweet kind helpful nature. 

      But seriously, would it have killed the writers to just draw some different clothes on the characters for that episode? All it did was make them look a bit lazy. 

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    • MelissaFan1 wrote:

      But seriously, would it have killed the writers to just draw some different clothes on the characters for that episode? All it did was make them look a bit lazy. 

      It was probably done to make fun of Cartoon Logic Law #143: "All cartoon characters will own exactly one (1) set of casual clothes." Dan and Swampy have poked fun of the trope before, so I assume that was just another sly joke about CLL #143.

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    • RandomGirl1995 wrote:
      MelissaFan1 wrote:

      But seriously, would it have killed the writers to just draw some different clothes on the characters for that episode? All it did was make them look a bit lazy. 

      It was probably done to make fun of Cartoon Logic Law #143: "All cartoon characters will own exactly one (1) set of casual clothes." Dan and Swampy have poked fun of the trope before, so I assume that was just another sly joke about CLL #143.

      Yeah, I meant to say 'animators' not 'writers' but you're probably right. I admit I never heard of that rule but your explaination sounds logical. 

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    • MelissaFan1 wrote:

      Yeah, I meant to say 'animators' not 'writers' but you're probably right. I admit I never heard of that rule but your explaination sounds logical. 

      To be clear, I just made it up. There's no such thing as the Cartoon Logic Law---I just needed a label for the trope. (Though a book listing cartoon logic rules would be a pretty fun thing to have.)

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    • It would, actually. 

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    • Morgan Lucchi wrote:

      Phineas&Milo n Gravity Falls wrote:

      Morgan Lucchi wrote:

      MelissaFan1 wrote:
      Face it, Disney is still in love with Phineas and Ferb...and I for one am TIRED OF IT!! I'm sick of all the marathons and tired of constantly hearing people say they miss it and this show is not Phineas and Ferb. No, no it is NOT! BECASUE IT'S A DIFFERENT SHOW ENTIRELY!! 

      This show is JUST as good and P & F and  IT BETTER GET ANOTHER SEASON!! It's not fair for P & F to get 4 seasons and this show to only get half of that! I mean it, I will never ever watch another show on Disney XD if this is NOT renewed!! I'll block the channel on my DVR! WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HEAR  SOMETHING LAST TUESDAY! I WANT ANOTHER SEASON AND I WANT IT NOW!

      I agree that people shouldn't care only about Phineas and Ferb. Milo Murphy's Law showed to be able to develop characters way further than Phineas and Ferb. On the other hand, Phineas ad Ferb felt more origina, like Zack himself said at some point, Milo Murphy's Law begun to just show stuff explode. It was funny till the end, but I can sadly say it sometimes got predictable, while I can't remember Phineas and Ferb giving me this feeling.​​​

      Also, while the first story arc, with the Pistachions and all, was simply GENIUS, the aliens story arc wasn't that awesome. I think the end wasn't as exciting as episodes like "Missing Milo" was.

      Also, I'm okay with the constant references to Phineas and Ferb, since they are set in the same universe, unlike plenty of people who apparently just have to complain about it for no real reason.

      But something must be said: in Milo Murphy's Law, unlike in Phineas and Ferb, we actually see development. HUGE character development. We see not only romantic relationships, but music bands, past fellow musicians, arguments that break friendships temporarily, people going through the toughest path of changing from evil to good... This, done like in Milo Murphy's Law, is something that puts it in a different plan of existance from Phineas and Ferb.

      "And if you liked Phineas, you'll like this too!", unless Disney fucks everything up just to squeeze money around without giving any chance to a new show.

      Phineas and Ferb wasn’t predictable? Literally the exact same thing happened in every single episode! At least Milo was actually different in every episode and they were able to do some really cool things that they never could’ve done in Phineas and Ferb. Phineas and Ferb would never have had Doof turn good and start doing completely different stuff in every episode. And then have Perry actually help Doof be good but then Doof gets mad at him and they stop being friends for like half the season. Phineas and Ferb was so stuck to the formula they never would’ve had a permanent change like that that lasts for several episodes. They just end every episode with everything going back to normal so that they can do the same thing again (but slightly different) the next day. But Milo actually has continuous plots.

      That's what most people say. But they don't get the whole point of the show. Phineas adn Ferb was never repetitive because you can never guess HOW those things are gonna happen. For example, if anyone ever tells you that they could figure out that in the episode "S'winter" Doof's -inator wasn't gonna melt the snow mountain, but it was gonna create a blackout that would prevent the fans from working, which IN TURN made the mountain melt, that someone is lying. That's what I mean. Phineas and Ferb was never predictable in this sense. Instead, in some situations, I could clearly predict "Hey, that thing is gonna fall. Hey, the aliens are actually going to help him in the end, despite saying they don't want anymore.".

      Well yeah you never know how it’s gonna happen but you still know that it’s gonna happen. But in MML sure you might be able to predict what’s gonna happen in the next episode but that’s the whole point of having a continuous plot: it makes you constantly theorize about what’s gonna happen next so that means that you’re always waiting for the next episode. It keeps you interested in the show. Sure you might be able to theorize enough that you figure out a lot of what’s gonna happen but you still want to see it actually happen. And you also want to see if your theory is actually right or if you were completely off and something totally different happens. I mean can you honestly tell me that you predicted that Doof from the future would save the day and kill the Pistachions? Or that the reason the aliens were abducting Milo was because the alien’s daughter had Murphy’s Law times a million and they needed Milo to figure out how to stop it before it destroyed their whole planet? And that the way they were gonna end up stopping it was by every single alien shapeshifting into the alien’s daughter and absorbing her Murphy’s Law?

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    • MelissaFan1 wrote:
      She likes being with Milo too and he plays with her too!

      Why is it not OK for Milo and Melissa to be best friends-turned-boyfriend and girlfriend but OK for THESE two?! It;'s still best friends turned-boyfriend and girlfriend (it pained me to type that) Why one and not the other? If ONE is cliche, they should BOTH be cliche!

      No, no, no, no. Wait. there are completely different mechanics between these. Milo and Melissa have been friends for years. If they were supposed to be together, it would have already happened. Here's the cliche: two very old friends become a couple, like Phineas and Isabella, Kim Possible and Ron Stoppable, Star Butterfly and Marco Diaz, etc. Melissa and Zack started immediately to like each other. You may not ship it, but it's undeniable. Also, consider that "hitting" on someone means flirting with them. You can punch someone playfully as long as you don't seriously hurt them, it's like a pat on the shoulder.

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    • Phineas&Milo n Gravity Falls wrote:

      Morgan Lucchi wrote:

      Phineas&Milo n Gravity Falls wrote:

      Morgan Lucchi wrote:


      MelissaFan1 wrote:
      Face it, Disney is still in love with Phineas and Ferb...and I for one am TIRED OF IT!! I'm sick of all the marathons and tired of constantly hearing people say they miss it and this show is not Phineas and Ferb. No, no it is NOT! BECASUE IT'S A DIFFERENT SHOW ENTIRELY!! 

      This show is JUST as good and P & F and  IT BETTER GET ANOTHER SEASON!! It's not fair for P & F to get 4 seasons and this show to only get half of that! I mean it, I will never ever watch another show on Disney XD if this is NOT renewed!! I'll block the channel on my DVR! WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HEAR  SOMETHING LAST TUESDAY! I WANT ANOTHER SEASON AND I WANT IT NOW!

      I agree that people shouldn't care only about Phineas and Ferb. Milo Murphy's Law showed to be able to develop characters way further than Phineas and Ferb. On the other hand, Phineas ad Ferb felt more origina, like Zack himself said at some point, Milo Murphy's Law begun to just show stuff explode. It was funny till the end, but I can sadly say it sometimes got predictable, while I can't remember Phineas and Ferb giving me this feeling.​​​

      Also, while the first story arc, with the Pistachions and all, was simply GENIUS, the aliens story arc wasn't that awesome. I think the end wasn't as exciting as episodes like "Missing Milo" was.

      Also, I'm okay with the constant references to Phineas and Ferb, since they are set in the same universe, unlike plenty of people who apparently just have to complain about it for no real reason.

      But something must be said: in Milo Murphy's Law, unlike in Phineas and Ferb, we actually see development. HUGE character development. We see not only romantic relationships, but music bands, past fellow musicians, arguments that break friendships temporarily, people going through the toughest path of changing from evil to good... This, done like in Milo Murphy's Law, is something that puts it in a different plan of existance from Phineas and Ferb.

      "And if you liked Phineas, you'll like this too!", unless Disney fucks everything up just to squeeze money around without giving any chance to a new show.

      Phineas and Ferb wasn’t predictable? Literally the exact same thing happened in every single episode! At least Milo was actually different in every episode and they were able to do some really cool things that they never could’ve done in Phineas and Ferb. Phineas and Ferb would never have had Doof turn good and start doing completely different stuff in every episode. And then have Perry actually help Doof be good but then Doof gets mad at him and they stop being friends for like half the season. Phineas and Ferb was so stuck to the formula they never would’ve had a permanent change like that that lasts for several episodes. They just end every episode with everything going back to normal so that they can do the same thing again (but slightly different) the next day. But Milo actually has continuous plots.
      That's what most people say. But they don't get the whole point of the show. Phineas adn Ferb was never repetitive because you can never guess HOW those things are gonna happen. For example, if anyone ever tells you that they could figure out that in the episode "S'winter" Doof's -inator wasn't gonna melt the snow mountain, but it was gonna create a blackout that would prevent the fans from working, which IN TURN made the mountain melt, that someone is lying. That's what I mean. Phineas and Ferb was never predictable in this sense. Instead, in some situations, I could clearly predict "Hey, that thing is gonna fall. Hey, the aliens are actually going to help him in the end, despite saying they don't want anymore.".

      Well yeah you never know how it’s gonna happen but you still know that it’s gonna happen. But in MML sure you might be able to predict what’s gonna happen in the next episode but that’s the whole point of having a continuous plot: it makes you constantly theorize about what’s gonna happen next so that means that you’re always waiting for the next episode. It keeps you interested in the show. Sure you might be able to theorize enough that you figure out a lot of what’s gonna happen but you still want to see it actually happen. And you also want to see if your theory is actually right or if you were completely off and something totally different happens. I mean can you honestly tell me that you predicted that Doof from the future would save the day and kill the Pistachions? Or that the reason the aliens were abducting Milo was because the alien’s daughter had Murphy’s Law times a million and they needed Milo to figure out how to stop it before it destroyed their whole planet? And that the way they were gonna end up stopping it was by every single alien shapeshifting into the alien’s daughter and absorbing her Murphy’s Law?

      Yes, it was obcious that Doof would do that. No, in fact I really appreciated that part. Yes, again, I have been telling that theory to a few of my friends and they were all like "Woh, did you see the episode before we did?" but of course I didn't. And that's why I didn't find the ending satisfying.

      Actually, by "predictable" I mean that I can see what is about to happen. I personally prefer shows that can surprise me almost continuously. That is why I liked Phineas and Ferb: in the SHORT term, I couldn't see what was gonna happen. Like, if I think: "in the next 3 minutes Jopper is gonna drink a smoothie." If he actually does so plainly, then the show is boring to me. But if he drinks a smoothie while running away from lasers then I like it more, because I didn't see the laser part coming and the contradiction in the gag is funny.

      With this, of course, I don't mean I dislike shows that sometimes have plain, simple, normal scenes like a conversation in the bar. Talking about this, in fact, I double loved how in Phineas and Ferb there is an episode about how Monty and Vanessa get to know each other, AND in the meantime Perry finds all weird ways to cover them from Doofenshmirtz! That episode was genius.

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    • MelissaFan1 wrote:
      I thought Melissa was annoyed that Zack kept deliberately putting himself in danger, not jealousy. Even Milo was looking at him all thoughout the episode like, 'You're nuts!'

      And yeah, Milo is the epitome of what people keep saying, 'Just be yourself.' Milo is without a doubt the most comfortable being himself and has no need to act differently to impress anyone, and that's how he won Amanda. Just being his sweet kind helpful nature. 

      But seriously, would it have killed the writers to just draw some different clothes on the characters for that episode? All it did was make them look a bit lazy. 

      To me, it kinda feels like you say "Melissa and Zack had no sign of liking each other and Melissa and Milo did", without giving proof of it and "If Melissa and Zack had this, Melissa and Milo had it too" without considering that there were objective differences in the situations.



      Also, consider that they kinda are supposed to wear the same clothes all the time. It's not laziness, it's normal or random. I think you should either take it as a joke or not important.

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    • Morgan Lucchi wrote:

      MelissaFan1 wrote:
      She likes being with Milo too and he plays with her too!

      Why is it not OK for Milo and Melissa to be best friends-turned-boyfriend and girlfriend but OK for THESE two?! It;'s still best friends turned-boyfriend and girlfriend (it pained me to type that) Why one and not the other? If ONE is cliche, they should BOTH be cliche!

      No, no, no, no. Wait. there are completely different mechanics between these. Milo and Melissa have been friends for years. If they were supposed to be together, it would have already happened. Here's the cliche: two very old friends become a couple, like Phineas and Isabella, Kim Possible and Ron Stoppable, Star Butterfly and Marco Diaz, etc. Melissa and Zack started immediately to like each other. You may not ship it, but it's undeniable. Also, consider that "hitting" on someone means flirting with them. You can punch someone playfully as long as you don't seriously hurt them, it's like a pat on the shoulder.

      Star and Marco literally never knew each other prior to the series pilot. They aren't "old friends".

      The actual cliché that applies to Star and Marco, which can also apply to Kim and Ron, as well as Danny and Sam, is that it's a main protagonist x main deuteragonist ship. Typically, it's the boy with the top billing and his female best friend that literally hangs out with him almost every episode. And that's the kind of ship that Milissa also would be (if it were developed, that is). And just like the "childhood best friends" ship, it's getting stale.

      Zalissa is a tad different, seeing how it's a ship between two deuteragonists. Neither of them have top billing: the show is not named after either of them. It's like Hermione and Ron from Harry Potter.

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    • I still don;t see anything between Melissa and Zack. Do not, never have never will! 

      Also, if we're talking of cliches, I do like Amanda, but don;t you think her with Milo is cliche too? The whole 'opposites attact' thing has been done to death too! Also the whole 'Girl doesn;t think she likes the guy until she has to spend a great deal of time with him and then she realises she's liked him the whole time!' That's been done too, right? Granted it's a good lesson to learn but it's still been done to death, right? 

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    • And I never see hitting as flirting! Someone hits me, I'm not flattered, I'm hurt and I ether walk away or punch them back, and NOT in a flirtatious way! You like me, TALK to me, don;t hit me! 

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    • Morgan Lucchi wrote:

      Phineas&Milo n Gravity Falls wrote:

      Morgan Lucchi wrote:

      Phineas&Milo n Gravity Falls wrote:

      Morgan Lucchi wrote:


      MelissaFan1 wrote:
      Face it, Disney is still in love with Phineas and Ferb...and I for one am TIRED OF IT!! I'm sick of all the marathons and tired of constantly hearing people say they miss it and this show is not Phineas and Ferb. No, no it is NOT! BECASUE IT'S A DIFFERENT SHOW ENTIRELY!! 

      This show is JUST as good and P & F and  IT BETTER GET ANOTHER SEASON!! It's not fair for P & F to get 4 seasons and this show to only get half of that! I mean it, I will never ever watch another show on Disney XD if this is NOT renewed!! I'll block the channel on my DVR! WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HEAR  SOMETHING LAST TUESDAY! I WANT ANOTHER SEASON AND I WANT IT NOW!

      I agree that people shouldn't care only about Phineas and Ferb. Milo Murphy's Law showed to be able to develop characters way further than Phineas and Ferb. On the other hand, Phineas ad Ferb felt more origina, like Zack himself said at some point, Milo Murphy's Law begun to just show stuff explode. It was funny till the end, but I can sadly say it sometimes got predictable, while I can't remember Phineas and Ferb giving me this feeling.​​​

      Also, while the first story arc, with the Pistachions and all, was simply GENIUS, the aliens story arc wasn't that awesome. I think the end wasn't as exciting as episodes like "Missing Milo" was.

      Also, I'm okay with the constant references to Phineas and Ferb, since they are set in the same universe, unlike plenty of people who apparently just have to complain about it for no real reason.

      But something must be said: in Milo Murphy's Law, unlike in Phineas and Ferb, we actually see development. HUGE character development. We see not only romantic relationships, but music bands, past fellow musicians, arguments that break friendships temporarily, people going through the toughest path of changing from evil to good... This, done like in Milo Murphy's Law, is something that puts it in a different plan of existance from Phineas and Ferb.

      "And if you liked Phineas, you'll like this too!", unless Disney fucks everything up just to squeeze money around without giving any chance to a new show.

      Phineas and Ferb wasn’t predictable? Literally the exact same thing happened in every single episode! At least Milo was actually different in every episode and they were able to do some really cool things that they never could’ve done in Phineas and Ferb. Phineas and Ferb would never have had Doof turn good and start doing completely different stuff in every episode. And then have Perry actually help Doof be good but then Doof gets mad at him and they stop being friends for like half the season. Phineas and Ferb was so stuck to the formula they never would’ve had a permanent change like that that lasts for several episodes. They just end every episode with everything going back to normal so that they can do the same thing again (but slightly different) the next day. But Milo actually has continuous plots.
      That's what most people say. But they don't get the whole point of the show. Phineas adn Ferb was never repetitive because you can never guess HOW those things are gonna happen. For example, if anyone ever tells you that they could figure out that in the episode "S'winter" Doof's -inator wasn't gonna melt the snow mountain, but it was gonna create a blackout that would prevent the fans from working, which IN TURN made the mountain melt, that someone is lying. That's what I mean. Phineas and Ferb was never predictable in this sense. Instead, in some situations, I could clearly predict "Hey, that thing is gonna fall. Hey, the aliens are actually going to help him in the end, despite saying they don't want anymore.".

      Well yeah you never know how it’s gonna happen but you still know that it’s gonna happen. But in MML sure you might be able to predict what’s gonna happen in the next episode but that’s the whole point of having a continuous plot: it makes you constantly theorize about what’s gonna happen next so that means that you’re always waiting for the next episode. It keeps you interested in the show. Sure you might be able to theorize enough that you figure out a lot of what’s gonna happen but you still want to see it actually happen. And you also want to see if your theory is actually right or if you were completely off and something totally different happens. I mean can you honestly tell me that you predicted that Doof from the future would save the day and kill the Pistachions? Or that the reason the aliens were abducting Milo was because the alien’s daughter had Murphy’s Law times a million and they needed Milo to figure out how to stop it before it destroyed their whole planet? And that the way they were gonna end up stopping it was by every single alien shapeshifting into the alien’s daughter and absorbing her Murphy’s Law?

      Yes, it was obcious that Doof would do that. No, in fact I really appreciated that part. Yes, again, I have been telling that theory to a few of my friends and they were all like "Woh, did you see the episode before we did?" but of course I didn't. And that's why I didn't find the ending satisfying.

      Actually, by "predictable" I mean that I can see what is about to happen. I personally prefer shows that can surprise me almost continuously. That is why I liked Phineas and Ferb: in the SHORT term, I couldn't see what was gonna happen. Like, if I think: "in the next 3 minutes Jopper is gonna drink a smoothie." If he actually does so plainly, then the show is boring to me. But if he drinks a smoothie while running away from lasers then I like it more, because I didn't see the laser part coming and the contradiction in the gag is funny.

      With this, of course, I don't mean I dislike shows that sometimes have plain, simple, normal scenes like a conversation in the bar. Talking about this, in fact, I double loved how in Phineas and Ferb there is an episode about how Monty and Vanessa get to know each other, AND in the meantime Perry finds all weird ways to cover them from Doofenshmirtz! That episode was genius.

      So you’re telling me that the moment you saw the show you knew that Doof from the future was gonna defeat the Pistachions and that all the aliens were gonna shape shift into Orgaluth?

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    • MelissaFan1 wrote: And I never see hitting as flirting! Someone hits me, I'm not flattered, I'm hurt and I ether walk away or punch them back, and NOT in a flirtatious way! You like me, TALK to me, don;t hit me! 

      ...I think Morgan Lucchi is referring to the term "hitting on someone", and he's pointing out that Melissa is literally hitting on Zack.


      In other words, he believes it's a visual pun.

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    • Arend wrote:

      MelissaFan1 wrote: And I never see hitting as flirting! Someone hits me, I'm not flattered, I'm hurt and I ether walk away or punch them back, and NOT in a flirtatious way! You like me, TALK to me, don;t hit me! 

      ...I think Morgan Lucchi is referring to the term "hitting on someone", and he's pointing out that Melissa is literally hitting on Zack.


      In other words, he believes it's a visual pun.

      Not a very funny one.

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    • Well, not all puns have to be funny. They can be there just for a groaner, or to get a point across. In this case, Melissa hitting (literally and figuratively) on Zack would be the latter.

      Also, I would like to post a general reminder: 'Delete any previous posts that are irrelevant to the response.' It's grating to have to scroll through four or five very long posts following each other, and it's cluttering up the page.

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    • I have a theory about Milo’s relationship with Melissa. I think that he intentionally gave up the possibility of a more serious relationship with her in order to protect both of them from Murphy’s Law. For a long time, Melissa was Milo’s only friend and as such she has given him a level a stability that he wouldn’t have had otherwise. As such I wonder if at some point he made a decision to put his feelings on the shelf in order to avoid the possibility of Murphy’s Law forcing one or both of them to walk away from their friendship in order to protect the other one. I have no on screen proof for this, but having tried to walk around in Milo’s head for six weeks while writing Milo Murphy’s Life, I feel like this is something that he would do to protect someone that he cares and it’s clear that he very much cares about Melissa.

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    • Then how do you explain his relationship with Amanda that evolved in season 2? He obviously has a lot of feelings for him and eventually vice versa and he didn;t try to walk away from them. 

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    • MelissaFan1 wrote: Then how do you explain his relationship with Amanda that evolved in season 2? He obviously has a lot of feelings for him and eventually vice versa and he didn;t try to walk away from them. 

      Arguably a different relationship dynamic. Milo made a point of talking to Amanda and gradually won her over on the basis his personal qualities.

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    • Tlong0038 wrote:

      MelissaFan1 wrote: Then how do you explain his relationship with Amanda that evolved in season 2? He obviously has a lot of feelings for him and eventually vice versa and he didn;t try to walk away from them. 

      Arguably a different relationship dynamic. Milo made a point of talking to Amanda and gradually won her over on the basis his personal qualities.

      But according to your theory, he shouldn;t even have tried to if he cared about Amanda as much as he does Melissa, which he obviously does. 

      besdies, who's to say in high school or something Melissa may decide she wants to be with Milo reguardless and refuses to let him walk away saying she doesn;t care about his condition, she cares about him!

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    • MelissaFan1 wrote:

      Tlong0038 wrote:

      MelissaFan1 wrote: Then how do you explain his relationship with Amanda that evolved in season 2? He obviously has a lot of feelings for him and eventually vice versa and he didn;t try to walk away from them. 

      Arguably a different relationship dynamic. Milo made a point of talking to Amanda and gradually won her over on the basis his personal qualities.

      But according to your theory, he shouldn;t even have tried to if he cared about Amanda as much as he does Melissa, which he obviously does. 

      besdies, who's to say in high school or something Melissa may decide she wants to be with Milo reguardless and refuses to let him walk away saying she doesn;t care about his condition, she cares about him!

      I don’t think anybody disputes that. That’s why she collected all that Murphy’s Law data. She wanted Milo to be able to live a normal life, even though that’s clearly not what he wants.

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    • MelissaFan1 wrote:
      Tlong0038 wrote:

      MelissaFan1 wrote: Then how do you explain his relationship with Amanda that evolved in season 2? He obviously has a lot of feelings for him and eventually vice versa and he didn;t try to walk away from them. 

      Arguably a different relationship dynamic. Milo made a point of talking to Amanda and gradually won her over on the basis his personal qualities.
      But according to your theory, he shouldn;t even have tried to if he cared about Amanda as much as he does Melissa, which he obviously does. 

      besdies, who's to say in high school or something Melissa may decide she wants to be with Milo reguardless and refuses to let him walk away saying she doesn;t care about his condition, she cares about him!

      Agreed! Who's to say that once the Murphy crew hits, say, their sophomore year of high school, Milo calls it off with Amanda, putting her safety above all else (because what if one day, he doesn't pack accordingly and Murphy's law ends up hurting Amanda). Then, sometime later, Zack and Melissa break up, thinking of Milo ahead of themselves. That would leave the door open for Melissa to decide to be with Milo anyway. As for Zack, I'm not sure where I stand on who he should be paired with now.

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    • GreenHornet wrote:
      MelissaFan1 wrote:
      Tlong0038 wrote:

      MelissaFan1 wrote: Then how do you explain his relationship with Amanda that evolved in season 2? He obviously has a lot of feelings for him and eventually vice versa and he didn;t try to walk away from them. 

      Arguably a different relationship dynamic. Milo made a point of talking to Amanda and gradually won her over on the basis his personal qualities.
      But according to your theory, he shouldn;t even have tried to if he cared about Amanda as much as he does Melissa, which he obviously does. 

      besdies, who's to say in high school or something Melissa may decide she wants to be with Milo reguardless and refuses to let him walk away saying she doesn;t care about his condition, she cares about him!

      Agreed! Who's to say that once the Murphy crew hits, say, their sophomore year of high school, Milo calls it off with Amanda, putting her safety above all else (because what if one day, he doesn't pack accordingly and Murphy's law ends up hurting Amanda). Then, sometime later, Zack and Melissa break up, thinking of Milo ahead of themselves. That would leave the door open for Melissa to decide to be with Milo anyway. As for Zack, I'm not sure where I stand on who he should be paired with now.

      Or maybe Melissa could have just been teasing Zack with that kiss on the cheek and not mean anything by it. That way the trio could still be a trio with no awkwardness. 

      As for Zack...maybe just a random new character. 

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    • I have a theory, it's crazy, but maybe, just maybe, Milo and Melissa are just friends! BOOM, Mind blown!

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    • BastianGT wrote:
      I have a theory, it's crazy, but maybe, just maybe, Milo and Melissa are just friends! BOOM, Mind blown!

      I am assuming that you are a foe to the Milolissa shippers, yes?

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    • Look, I'd be okay with Milissa if there were actual hints towards that ship.

      But there literally is none of it. And if Joshua Pruett's deconfirmation is anything to go by, there won't be ever. It's not something like Starco, in which case it was hinted early on in its respective show.

      And the thing is, this NEEDS to be hinted early on, otherwise it would feel tacked on just to please the fans (and disappoint others that were rooting for a ship that WAS hinted early on). It's simply not good storytelling. That's why, as far as I can tell, in my opinion, Milissa has lost its chance.

      The fact that there's literally nothing aside from "they're best friends" makes it feel like the shippers started to ship Milissa not because there's actual romance between the two, but because it's an obligation to pair the two main characters together. Not that they actually do, but it feels like so. Especially when you take in mind that people already started shipping Milissa before the show even started (as well as Milack, and yes, admittedly Zalissa too. Not me, though).

      This is why I find "main character x main character ships" more problematic than opposites attract, since the former has been used so often that it ingrained the idea that if the two leads are of opposite sex, they HAVE to end up together in the end, regardless of what they're like. Even then, it's also always the same tropes applied to them: they're best friends, sometimes just met, sometimes since childhood. At least with opposites attract, not only do you have a ton of variations (which Milanda is only one of), but it can be used on any pair of roles.

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    • Also, call this a pet peeve, but I'm starting to get tired to Colleen trying to rebuke every point us Milanda and Zalissa fan makes by making them look like a double standard. As if we're not allowed to even enjoy either ship if we dislike Milissa for certain reasons. As if she's trying to force us to admit that Milissa is better than either of the other two ships, even if personally, I think it's the least original and the least likely of the three

      Honestly, I can do the same. Watch:

      So Colleen, I am aware that one of the reasons you dislike Zalissa is that you don't see the chemistry, thanks to a certain shoulder-punching running gag in S2. You explained that Melissa isn't being very friendly by doing that to Zack and pointed out that in contrast, she has NEVER hit Milo.

      Except... she has.

      Only once, though, but she in fact has.

      In the face.

      Using Milo's own backpack, even.

      It even toppled him down.

      Considering how much stuff Milo usually puts in his backpack, it's likely to be a bit hefty, and in turn, is able to make a BIGGER impact to Milo's face, than Melissa's fist ever could to Zack's shoulder.

      So with that in mind, it seems to me that Melissa doesn't have a personal vendetta against Zack, and in fact isn't above hitting any of her friends at all when agitated or irritated, regardless of whom it is. I doubt she's seriously trying to injure either of them, though.

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    • Watching Amanda slowly coming to see Milo for the amazing person that he is is a lot more interesting to watch and is much more emotionally satisfying.

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    • Tlong0038 wrote:
      Watching Amanda slowly coming to see Milo for the amazing person that he is is a lot more interesting to watch and is much more emotionally satisfying.

      Which is why IF and WHEN Season 3 happens I'm more welcome TO MIlanda than ZackLissa. 

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    • Hey, Arend, I'm making a Milanda fanfic for YOU to make YOU happy, OK pal? It;'s not for me, it;s for you. 

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    • MelissaFan1 wrote:

      Tlong0038 wrote:
      Watching Amanda slowly coming to see Milo for the amazing person that he is is a lot more interesting to watch and is much more emotionally satisfying.

      Which is why IF and WHEN Season 3 happens I'm more welcome TO MIlanda than ZackLissa. 

      It has occurred to me to wonder if she rigged the WIBAs because she realized that he genuinely deserved to win one and would never get one any other way.

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    • MelissaFan1 wrote: Hey, Arend, I'm making a Milanda fanfic for YOU to make YOU happy, OK pal? It;'s not for me, it;s for you. 

      What has that to do with anything said here?

      Don't get me wrong, I'm still thankful for your fanfic, and I understand you got annoyed at me being annoyed at you, but it feels a bit random to bring that up all of a sudden.

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    • Tlong0038 wrote:

      It has occurred to me to wonder if she rigged the WIBAs because she realized that he genuinely deserved to win one and would never get any other way.

      I don't think she'd ever do that. She's already happy that Milo got nominated in the first place, Milo has shown plenty of times to have great perseverance.

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    • Arend wrote:

      Tlong0038 wrote:

      It has occurred to me to wonder if she rigged the WIBAs because she realized that he genuinely deserved to win one and would never get any other way.

      I don't think she'd ever do that. She's already happy that Milo got nominated in the first place, Milo has shown plenty of times to have great perseverance.

      Yeah, but he’s never gotten any recognition for his innate personal qualities, like his sheer persistence. And we’re assuming that she didn’t head the organizing committee, which is a reasonable bet as she’s on a lot of other student committees and she’s very, very organized. I’m not suggesting that she stuffed a ballot box or anything like that, but I could see her including a category that only Milo would win for.

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    • Tlong0038 wrote:

      Arend wrote:

      Tlong0038 wrote:

      It has occurred to me to wonder if she rigged the WIBAs because she realized that he genuinely deserved to win one and would never get any other way.

      I don't think she'd ever do that. She's already happy that Milo got nominated in the first place, Milo has shown plenty of times to have great perseverance.

      Yeah, but he’s never gotten any recognition for his innate personal qualities, like his sheer persistence. And we’re assuming that she didn’t head the organizing committee, which is a reasonable bet as she’s on a lot of other student committees and she’s very, very organized. I’m not suggesting that she stuffed a ballot box or anything like that, but I could see her including a category that only Milo would win for.

      Sonehow I don;t think ONLY Milo would win that, seeing as how if you listen carefully there were some others nominated for it. Milo just genuinely deserved to win. And it's a good bet that if she did head up that committee she wouldn't be sitting in the audience with Milo's family. 

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    • MelissaFan1 wrote:

      Or maybe Melissa could have just been teasing Zack with that kiss on the cheek and not mean anything by it. That way the trio could still be a trio with no awkwardness. 

      As for Zack...maybe just a random new character. 

      So a kiss given only in order to tease someone to you is normal but the possibility of them being together shockes you beyond how much I could expect you to be shocked?

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    • Morgan Lucchi wrote:
      MelissaFan1 wrote:

      Or maybe Melissa could have just been teasing Zack with that kiss on the cheek and not mean anything by it. That way the trio could still be a trio with no awkwardness. 

      As for Zack...maybe just a random new character. 

      So a kiss given only in order to tease someone to you is normal but the possibility of them being together shockes you beyond how much I could expect you to be shocked?

      I've seen that happen more times than not.

      And it didn;t shock me...more disappointed me cauise that means my fanfic...which I was working so hard on as a labor of love now had to be permemnently unfinished! 

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    • MelissaFan1 wrote:
      Morgan Lucchi wrote:
      MelissaFan1 wrote:

      Or maybe Melissa could have just been teasing Zack with that kiss on the cheek and not mean anything by it. That way the trio could still be a trio with no awkwardness. 

      As for Zack...maybe just a random new character. 

      So a kiss given only in order to tease someone to you is normal but the possibility of them being together shockes you beyond how much I could expect you to be shocked?
      I've seen that happen more times than not.

      And it didn;t shock me...more disappointed me cauise that means my fanfic...which I was working so hard on as a labor of love now had to be permemnently unfinished! 

      Colleen...will you chill out? It's like you've blown a gasket or something! As for 'For All Eternity'...I say finish what you started. Take a look at what happened with Alex Hirsch and Gravity Falls. He left the first season on a cliffhanger and almost decided to kill it there until Jon Stewart from 'The Daily Show' intervened.

      Colleen...finish the story. You'd be surprised at what kind of feedback you get from the finished product.

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    • What do you mean chill out or blow a gasket? I didn;t yell! I wasn;t even yelling. 

      (wait, why would he want to leave a show on a cliffhanger first season when the show was a big hit?)

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    • MelissaFan1 wrote:
      What do you mean chill out or blow a gasket? I didn;t yell! I wasn;t even yelling. 

      (wait, why would he want to leave a show on a cliffhanger first season when the show was a big hit?)

      It was Hirsch's first attempt at an animated show and he was burnt out.

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    • Maybe he should have gotten advice from Dan and Swampy. :)

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    • MelissaFan1 wrote:
      Maybe he should have gotten advice from Dan and Swampy. :)

      Difference between 'Gravity Falls' and 'Phineas and Ferb' was that 'Gravity Falls' was more plot oriented while 'Phineas and Ferb' was more slice-of-life and episodic in nature. MML didn't even exist during Gravity Falls' run.

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    • Yeah but they could have given him advice on how to run a successful show without buring yourself out. 

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    • GreenHornet wrote:

      Take a look at what happened with Alex Hirsch and Gravity Falls. He left the first season on a cliffhanger and almost decided to kill it there until Jon Stewart from 'The Daily Show' intervened.

      I must admit I have never heard of this before.

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    • Arend wrote:

      GreenHornet wrote:

      Take a look at what happened with Alex Hirsch and Gravity Falls. He left the first season on a cliffhanger and almost decided to kill it there until Jon Stewart from 'The Daily Show' intervened.

      I must admit I have never heard of this before.

      It was in an interview that I had read prior to the finale, not quite sure where I read it, though.

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    • Come on. You expect me to believe he wasn’t planning out the whole show from the beginning? He was just making it up as he went along and then he was gonna give up after 1 season? “Yeah I know that’s the most unsatisfying ending ever but I’m tired so I’m just gonna give up and end it there. I can’t think of anymore good ideas anyway.”

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    • EEeh, I've seen it happen (cough) Samurai Jack. (cough) Samurai Jack. One of the most brilliant shows ever made...with one of the WORST endings ever!! Just so he could go back to Hotel Transylvania. 

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    • But with Gravity Falls there was tons of foreshadowing early on in the show. It really seems like he was planning on how he was gonna end it from the very beginning. I mean some of the first few episodes had some hints that Stanley had a twin. You’re gonna tell me that he wasn’t actually planning that the whole time and he was planning on just ending it after 1 season and then randomly decided to make a second season and just made up all the stuff as he went?

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    • I haven't seen that interview, but I'm guessing that Hirshz didn't mean he was ending the show. I think he himself was going to leave, because being head writer and director was more exhausting than he'd anticipated, and he wanted out; but he would've left detailed instructions regarding the direction that the show was going to take, so the show wouldn't be left out to dry. We all know "Gravity Falls" was his brainchild, and there's no way he would leave the story unfinished.

      That's what I'm assuming, anyway. I'm basing this all strictly on what I've heard from this thread.

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    • GreenHornet wrote:
      Arend wrote:

      GreenHornet wrote:

      Take a look at what happened with Alex Hirsch and Gravity Falls. He left the first season on a cliffhanger and almost decided to kill it there until Jon Stewart from 'The Daily Show' intervened.

      I must admit I have never heard of this before.
      It was in an interview that I had read prior to the finale, not quite sure where I read it, though.

      Finally found where I read about Alex Hirsch's near decision to end 'Gravity Falls' on a cliff-hanger: https://tv.avclub.com/see-you-next-summer-alex-hirsch-says-goodbye-to-grav-1798244355

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    • I sometimes wish Genndy Tartikovsky did that with Samurai Jack. A cliffhanger ending would have been better than the ending we got!

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    • Ok so Alex still had the ending planned out from the beginning but he was just so tired that he almost ended it early. Also now that I read that and know the full story I just want to respond to some of the earlier comments.

      MelissaFan1: “wait, why would he want to leave a show on a cliffhanger first season when the show was a big hit?” Apparently because he was too burnt out from doing all nighters trying to get every single little detail correct. So he didn’t wanna have to keep doing all that work for multiple more years to make another season. Plus he finished the whole first season before the first episode even aired so he didn’t know that it was gonna be a huge hit, for all he knew it could’ve ended up like Milo and not been very popular.

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    • MelissaFan1 wrote: I sometimes wish Genndy Tartikovsky did that with Samurai Jack. A cliffhanger ending would have been better than the ending we got!

      I find using Season 5 of Samurai Jack as an argument a bit of a poor case. Season 5 came out years later because of fan demand for a proper ending. It was on an adult block since it's more mature because said fan demand came from adults who grew up with Samurai Jack.

      Meanwhile, Gravity Falls's second season was renewed on July 29, 2013, before Season 1 even ended a week later. The Season 2 opener would only air a year after that, on August 1, 2014. It was still fresh, the second season wasn't cancelled and revived years later. Disney smelled a goldmine from the get-go and took their chance right on time. Alex Hirsch intended to end the show on its second season, so there was no real need for fan demand for a proper ending at all.

      And yeah, the ending could be seen as underwhelming, given that Jack was robbed of a happy ending, but from what I can gather, there was some sense to it at least. And I guess it could always be worse... like what I've heard about Voltron: Legendary Defender.

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    • It’s weird that Gravity Falls was renewed for a second season before season 1 ended. Because the interview I just read made it sound like it was a little while after the last episode of season 1 aired before the fans started telling Alex that he needs to make a second season to give the show a proper ending instead of ending on a cliffhanger. So then after that he asked Disney if he could make 10 more episodes but they said he had to do 20 so he did 20. So it doesn’t make sense that it would be renewed before season 1 ended.

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    • Phineas&Milo n Gravity Falls wrote: It’s weird that Gravity Falls was renewed for a second season before season 1 ended. Because the interview I just read made it sound like it was a little while after the last episode of season 1 aired before the fans started telling Alex that he needs to make a second season to give the show a proper ending instead of ending on a cliffhanger. So then after that he asked Disney if he could make 10 more episodes but they said he had to do 20 so he did 20. So it doesn’t make sense that it would be renewed before season 1 ended.

      I found my info on Wikipedia, and it was sourced to this.

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    • Phineas&Milo n Gravity Falls wrote:
      Ok so Alex still had the ending planned out from the beginning but he was just so tired that he almost ended it early. Also now that I read that and know the full story I just want to respond to some of the earlier comments.

      MelissaFan1: “wait, why would he want to leave a show on a cliffhanger first season when the show was a big hit?” Apparently because he was too burnt out from doing all nighters trying to get every single little detail correct. So he didn’t wanna have to keep doing all that work for multiple more years to make another season. Plus he finished the whole first season before the first episode even aired so he didn’t know that it was gonna be a huge hit, for all he knew it could’ve ended up like Milo and not been very popular.

      Hey, Milo is pretty popular, thank you. Disney just wants to BELIEVE it isn;t cause they're still so damn obsesed with Phineas and Ferb and now Ducktales. But it IS popular, we're all here, aren;t we?

      Plus, you want more proof of that? Look at the comments section for this Disney theme song video: 

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZOtHP9PZ00&list=WL&index=16&t=0s

      Every other comment is 'Where's Milo Murphy's Law'? Literally every other one! But a lot of people I know love the show! It's popular! Granted it would be even more so had Disney just given it the respect it deserves, but it was NOT a flop! 

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    • Phineas&Milo n Gravity Falls wrote:
      It’s weird that Gravity Falls was renewed for a second season before season 1 ended. Because the interview I just read made it sound like it was a little while after the last episode of season 1 aired before the fans started telling Alex that he needs to make a second season to give the show a proper ending instead of ending on a cliffhanger. So then after that he asked Disney if he could make 10 more episodes but they said he had to do 20 so he did 20. So it doesn’t make sense that it would be renewed before season 1 ended.

      Why not? They did it with Ducktales. Hell, they renewed it for a season 3 before season 2 was halfway done!!

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    • Arend wrote:

      MelissaFan1 wrote: I sometimes wish Genndy Tartikovsky did that with Samurai Jack. A cliffhanger ending would have been better than the ending we got!

      I find using Season 5 of Samurai Jack as an argument a bit of a poor case. Season 5 came out years later because of fan demand for a proper ending. It was on an adult block since it's more mature because said fan demand came from adults who grew up with Samurai Jack.

      Meanwhile, Gravity Falls's second season was renewed on July 29, 2013, before Season 1 even ended a week later. The Season 2 opener would only air a year after that, on August 1, 2014. It was still fresh, the second season wasn't cancelled and revived years later. Disney smelled a goldmine from the get-go and took their chance right on time. Alex Hirsch intended to end the show on its second season, so there was no real need for fan demand for a proper ending at all.

      And yeah, the ending could be seen as underwhelming, given that Jack was robbed of a happy ending, but from what I can gather, there was some sense to it at least. And I guess it could always be worse... like what I've heard about Voltron: Legendary Defender.

      Yeah,we demended a proper ending and look what we got! A ripoff of the ending to an anime after a final ep that looked like he went to the tvtropes page, closed his eyes, put his finger on the screen, and used whatever he happeend to land on! And this man used to churn out original and amazing episodes! He should have just let it be if he honestly wanted to move on to Hotel Transylvania instead of churning out 8 great episodes and then throwing together a mess for the final 2! (yes, I am still bitter, why do you ask?) 

      I never saw Voltron (again, no Netflex) but from what I heard the final season was pretty bad. 

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    • Arend wrote:

      Phineas&Milo n Gravity Falls wrote: It’s weird that Gravity Falls was renewed for a second season before season 1 ended. Because the interview I just read made it sound like it was a little while after the last episode of season 1 aired before the fans started telling Alex that he needs to make a second season to give the show a proper ending instead of ending on a cliffhanger. So then after that he asked Disney if he could make 10 more episodes but they said he had to do 20 so he did 20. So it doesn’t make sense that it would be renewed before season 1 ended.

      I found my info on Wikipedia, and it was sourced to this.

      I don’t see where they got July 29th from. Sure that Reddit comment proves that he was planning on making a second season and that the show had probably been renewed for a second season but I’m pretty sure that AMA happened on like August 13th or something.

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    • Phineas&Milo n Gravity Falls wrote:

      Arend wrote:

      Phineas&Milo n Gravity Falls wrote: It’s weird that Gravity Falls was renewed for a second season before season 1 ended. Because the interview I just read made it sound like it was a little while after the last episode of season 1 aired before the fans started telling Alex that he needs to make a second season to give the show a proper ending instead of ending on a cliffhanger. So then after that he asked Disney if he could make 10 more episodes but they said he had to do 20 so he did 20. So it doesn’t make sense that it would be renewed before season 1 ended.

      I found my info on Wikipedia, and it was sourced to this.

      I don’t see where they got July 29th from. Sure that Reddit comment proves that he was planning on making a second season and that the show had probably been renewed for a second season but I’m pretty sure that AMA happened on like August 13th or something.

      Found another source. Thanks Gravity Falls Wiki!

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    • Arend wrote:

      Phineas&Milo n Gravity Falls wrote:

      Arend wrote:

      Phineas&Milo n Gravity Falls wrote: It’s weird that Gravity Falls was renewed for a second season before season 1 ended. Because the interview I just read made it sound like it was a little while after the last episode of season 1 aired before the fans started telling Alex that he needs to make a second season to give the show a proper ending instead of ending on a cliffhanger. So then after that he asked Disney if he could make 10 more episodes but they said he had to do 20 so he did 20. So it doesn’t make sense that it would be renewed before season 1 ended.

      I found my info on Wikipedia, and it was sourced to this.
      I don’t see where they got July 29th from. Sure that Reddit comment proves that he was planning on making a second season and that the show had probably been renewed for a second season but I’m pretty sure that AMA happened on like August 13th or something.
      Found another source. Thanks Gravity Falls Wiki!

      Gotta LOVE these wikis! :) 

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    • MelissaFan1 wrote:

      Phineas&Milo n Gravity Falls wrote:
      Ok so Alex still had the ending planned out from the beginning but he was just so tired that he almost ended it early. Also now that I read that and know the full story I just want to respond to some of the earlier comments.

      MelissaFan1: “wait, why would he want to leave a show on a cliffhanger first season when the show was a big hit?” Apparently because he was too burnt out from doing all nighters trying to get every single little detail correct. So he didn’t wanna have to keep doing all that work for multiple more years to make another season. Plus he finished the whole first season before the first episode even aired so he didn’t know that it was gonna be a huge hit, for all he knew it could’ve ended up like Milo and not been very popular.

      Hey, Milo is pretty popular, thank you. Disney just wants to BELIEVE it isn;t cause they're still so damn obsesed with Phineas and Ferb and now Ducktales. But it IS popular, we're all here, aren;t we?

      Plus, you want more proof of that? Look at the comments section for this Disney theme song video: 

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZOtHP9PZ00&list=WL&index=16&t=0s

      Every other comment is 'Where's Milo Murphy's Law'? Literally every other one! But a lot of people I know love the show! It's popular! Granted it would be even more so had Disney just given it the respect it deserves, but it was NOT a flop! 

      Sure it’s pretty popular but compare the ratings of the show to a lot of other shows and most of the time Milo will have worse ratings. Plus look at my petition for season 3 (https://www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-make-a-season-3-of-milo-murphy-s-law-mml). It took over a year for my petition to get 730 supporters even though I’ve advertised it all over the place for that whole year. Meanwhile there’s a petition for Star Vs to get a season 5 and they have over 112,000 supporters in less than 2 months. There’s a petition for season 3 of Gravity Falls that has over 3,000 supporters. And of course the MML subreddit is way smaller than the subreddits for any other popular shows like P&F, Gravity Falls, Star, DuckTales, Spongebob, Adventure Time, Avatar, The Loud House, etc.

      Also I scrolled in the comments of that video for a pretty long time and didn’t see a single comment about MML. I didn’t say the show was a flop, it’s just not nearly as popular as a ton of other cartoons. Sure there are still some cartoons that are less popular but out of a list of every single cartoon ever with number 1 being the most popular, MML would be pretty far down on the list just because of the sheer number of different cartoons that exist. But there would also be a lot of cartoons under MML on that list. There would just be a lot more cartoons above it than below it.

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    • MelissaFan1 wrote:

      Phineas&Milo n Gravity Falls wrote:
      It’s weird that Gravity Falls was renewed for a second season before season 1 ended. Because the interview I just read made it sound like it was a little while after the last episode of season 1 aired before the fans started telling Alex that he needs to make a second season to give the show a proper ending instead of ending on a cliffhanger. So then after that he asked Disney if he could make 10 more episodes but they said he had to do 20 so he did 20. So it doesn’t make sense that it would be renewed before season 1 ended.

      Why not? They did it with Ducktales. Hell, they renewed it for a season 3 before season 2 was halfway done!!

      Why not? Because apparently Alex was thinking about ending the show after season 1 and supposedly didn’t decide to make season 2 until a while after season 1 ended and the fans were complaining that he needed to make a second season to conclude the cliffhanger.

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    • Phineas&Milo n Gravity Falls wrote:

      MelissaFan1 wrote:

      Phineas&Milo n Gravity Falls wrote:
      Ok so Alex still had the ending planned out from the beginning but he was just so tired that he almost ended it early. Also now that I read that and know the full story I just want to respond to some of the earlier comments.

      MelissaFan1: “wait, why would he want to leave a show on a cliffhanger first season when the show was a big hit?” Apparently because he was too burnt out from doing all nighters trying to get every single little detail correct. So he didn’t wanna have to keep doing all that work for multiple more years to make another season. Plus he finished the whole first season before the first episode even aired so he didn’t know that it was gonna be a huge hit, for all he knew it could’ve ended up like Milo and not been very popular.

      Hey, Milo is pretty popular, thank you. Disney just wants to BELIEVE it isn;t cause they're still so damn obsesed with Phineas and Ferb and now Ducktales. But it IS popular, we're all here, aren;t we?

      Plus, you want more proof of that? Look at the comments section for this Disney theme song video: 

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZOtHP9PZ00&list=WL&index=16&t=0s

      Every other comment is 'Where's Milo Murphy's Law'? Literally every other one! But a lot of people I know love the show! It's popular! Granted it would be even more so had Disney just given it the respect it deserves, but it was NOT a flop! 

      Sure it’s pretty popular but compare the ratings of the show to a lot of other shows and most of the time Milo will have worse ratings. Plus look at my petition for season 3 (https://www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-make-a-season-3-of-milo-murphy-s-law-mml). It took over a year for my petition to get 730 supporters even though I’ve advertised it all over the place for that whole year. Meanwhile there’s a petition for Star Vs to get a season 5 and they have over 112,000 supporters in less than 2 months. There’s a petition for season 3 of Gravity Falls that has over 3,000 supporters. And of course the MML subreddit is way smaller than the subreddits for any other popular shows like P&F, Gravity Falls, Star, DuckTales, Spongebob, Adventure Time, Avatar, The Loud House, etc.

      Also I scrolled in the comments of that video for a pretty long time and didn’t see a single comment about MML. I didn’t say the show was a flop, it’s just not nearly as popular as a ton of other cartoons. Sure there are still some cartoons that are less popular but out of a list of every single cartoon ever with number 1 being the most popular, MML would be pretty far down on the list just because of the sheer number of different cartoons that exist. But there would also be a lot of cartoons under MML on that list. There would just be a lot more cartoons above it than below it.

      Well,we ALL know who we can blame for THAT, right?!

      Honestly, what is their frikkin problem with this show?! It was by the Creators of their beloved Phineas and Ferb, it had good stories, good characters, good animation...it had Weird Al for crying out loud! WHAT was wrong with it?! WHY could they not be BOTHERED to give it the hype and audience it deserved?! They THAT bitter at the creators for ending Phineas and Ferb?! Was that it?! 

      If there is no season 3, I point the finger at them! 

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    • Phineas&Milo n Gravity Falls wrote:

      MelissaFan1 wrote:

      Phineas&Milo n Gravity Falls wrote:
      It’s weird that Gravity Falls was renewed for a second season before season 1 ended. Because the interview I just read made it sound like it was a little while after the last episode of season 1 aired before the fans started telling Alex that he needs to make a second season to give the show a proper ending instead of ending on a cliffhanger. So then after that he asked Disney if he could make 10 more episodes but they said he had to do 20 so he did 20. So it doesn’t make sense that it would be renewed before season 1 ended.

      Why not? They did it with Ducktales. Hell, they renewed it for a season 3 before season 2 was halfway done!!

      Why not? Because apparently Alex was thinking about ending the show after season 1 and supposedly didn’t decide to make season 2 until a while after season 1 ended and the fans were complaining that he needed to make a second season to conclude the cliffhanger.

      Have you all forgotten what I said a few posts above? Season 2 was renewed BEFORE Season 1 ended! Again, here's that news article from July 29th 2013.

      And again, the S1 finale came out a week later. On August 3rd 2nd, to be exact.

      And given the reddit AMA I linked earlier as well, Hirsch HAD to be on board from that very moment as well

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    • Well then explain the interview where Alex said that he was gonna end the show after season 1 until after the fans complained about him leaving it on a cliffhanger and he decided he wanted to do 10 more episodes just to give the show a proper ending?

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    • Phineas&Milo n Gravity Falls wrote:
      Well then explain the interview where Alex said that he was gonna end the show after season 1 until after the fans complained about him leaving it on a cliffhanger and he decided he wanted to do 10 more episodes just to give the show a proper ending?

      And then they made the poor guy do 20! What is the power Disney holds over people?!

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    • Phineas&Milo n Gravity Falls wrote: Well then explain the interview where Alex said that he was gonna end the show after season 1 until after the fans complained about him leaving it on a cliffhanger and he decided he wanted to do 10 more episodes just to give the show a proper ending?

      Nowhere does it state the fan responses were specifically from the S1 finale. Yeah, Hirsch has stated he has ended Season 1 on a cliffhanger... but that doesn't mean it had aired yet. It could mean he had already written the episode and is still busy in production. If that's the case, then it would be IMPOSSIBLE for the fans to react to the S1 finale just yet, meaning it HAD to be responses from the show overall and could range from any of the episodes before. Once Alex realized how popular his show was, he likely anticipated that fans wouldn't take it lightly if they knew S1 ended on a cliffhanger that wouldn't be continued. He wasn't being demanded by his fans to continue with GF - he was overwhelmed that his show was popular to begin with, and realized he needed to make a proper ending before fans would demand it out of him.

      And for people like Pat McHale and John Stewart to know about it... well, they work in the television industry too. I wouldn't be surprised if Alex Hirsch already told them beforehand that he was ending Season 1 on a cliffhanger (and it doesn't even have to be that detailed either).

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    • Well considering the huge amount of stuff that Disney owns, they hold tons of power over everyone. But especially the people that work for them like Alex. If he wants to do another season to give the show a good ending and not end on a cliffhanger than he has to do it by their rules. If they have a rule that there has to be at least 20 episodes in each season then he has to do that. He has no other choice.

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    • Phineas&Milo n Gravity Falls wrote:
      Well considering the huge amount of stuff that Disney owns, they hold tons of power over everyone. But especially the people that work for them like Alex. If he wants to do another season to give the show a good ending and not end on a cliffhanger than he has to do it by their rules. If they have a rule that there has to be at least 20 episodes in each season then he has to do that. He has no other choice.

      Yeah, it;'s been that way since Micheal Eisner, hasn;t it? Things didn;t change much when they got rid of him, did they? 

      And now they're making Dan and Swampy resurrect Phineas and Ferb when they wanted to put it to bed and concentrate on Milo, which they treated horribly. I am beginning to really hate those jerks down there. 

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    • I Can See Them Married In Future With Kids Along With Milo And Amanda 

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    • Nicholas Blaschke wrote:
      I Can See Them Married In Future With Kids Along With Milo And Amanda 

      I picture 1/2 of that scenario 

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    • MelissaFan1 wrote:
      Nicholas Blaschke wrote:
      I Can See Them Married In Future With Kids Along With Milo And Amanda 
      I picture 1/2 of that scenario 

      Melissa's other half should no doubt be Milo!

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    • Absoluty

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    • GreenHornet wrote:

      MelissaFan1 wrote:
      Nicholas Blaschke wrote:
      I Can See Them Married In Future With Kids Along With Milo And Amanda 
      I picture 1/2 of that scenario 

      Melissa's other half should no doubt be Milo!

      Except that Milo clearly isn’t interested in Melissa like that.

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    • Tlong0038 wrote:

      GreenHornet wrote:

      MelissaFan1 wrote:
      Nicholas Blaschke wrote:
      I Can See Them Married In Future With Kids Along With Milo And Amanda 
      I picture 1/2 of that scenario 
      Melissa's other half should no doubt be Milo!

      Except that Milo clearly isn’t interested in Melissa like that.

      Maybe he's hiding it because he's afraid of wrecking his friendship with Melissa. That's how I see it.

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    • GreenHornet wrote:

      Tlong0038 wrote:

      GreenHornet wrote:

      MelissaFan1 wrote:
      Nicholas Blaschke wrote:
      I Can See Them Married In Future With Kids Along With Milo And Amanda 
      I picture 1/2 of that scenario 
      Melissa's other half should no doubt be Milo!

      Except that Milo clearly isn’t interested in Melissa like that.

      Maybe he's hiding it because he's afraid of wrecking his friendship with Melissa. That's how I see it.

      Yeah, I posited a theory sort of like that, that Milo actually has romantic feelings for Melissa, but hasn’t acted on them because of Murphy’s Law. He thinks that Murphy’s Law will force him to walk away from their friendship and it would just about kill him to have to do that.

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    • Kind Of Like How Phineas And Isabella's Friendship Was Almost Killed In Phineas And Ferb

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    • Tlong0038 wrote:

      GreenHornet wrote:

      Tlong0038 wrote:

      GreenHornet wrote:


      MelissaFan1 wrote:
      Nicholas Blaschke wrote:
      I Can See Them Married In Future With Kids Along With Milo And Amanda 
      I picture 1/2 of that scenario 
      Melissa's other half should no doubt be Milo!
      Except that Milo clearly isn’t interested in Melissa like that.
      Maybe he's hiding it because he's afraid of wrecking his friendship with Melissa. That's how I see it.

      Yeah, I posited a theory sort of like that, that Milo actually has romantic feelings for Melissa, but hasn’t acted on them because of Murphy’s Law. He thinks that Murphy’s Law will force him to walk away from their friendship and it would just about kill him to have to do that.

      Exactly! Just like Ron before he revealed his feelings for Kim on 'Kim Possible'! He had a thing for Kim, but was too scared to admit it for fear of wrecking his friendship with her.

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    • BastianGT wrote:
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      Great...you again, Bastian....

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    • GreenHornet wrote:

      Tlong0038 wrote:

      GreenHornet wrote:

      Tlong0038 wrote:

      GreenHornet wrote:


      MelissaFan1 wrote:
      Nicholas Blaschke wrote:
      I Can See Them Married In Future With Kids Along With Milo And Amanda 
      I picture 1/2 of that scenario 
      Melissa's other half should no doubt be Milo!
      Except that Milo clearly isn’t interested in Melissa like that.
      Maybe he's hiding it because he's afraid of wrecking his friendship with Melissa. That's how I see it.

      Yeah, I posited a theory sort of like that, that Milo actually has romantic feelings for Melissa, but hasn’t acted on them because of Murphy’s Law. He thinks that Murphy’s Law will force him to walk away from their friendship and it would just about kill him to have to do that.

      Exactly! Just like Ron before he revealed his feelings for Kim on 'Kim Possible'! He had a thing for Kim, but was too scared to admit it for fear of wrecking his friendship with her.

      Yeah, I’ve actually seen some YouTube commenters suggest that Melissa is solely responsible for turning Milo into the smart, tough, persistent optimist that he has become. If that’s the case, she’s clearly been an incredibly positive force in his life.

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    • Tlong0038 wrote:

      GreenHornet wrote:

      Tlong0038 wrote:

      GreenHornet wrote:


      Tlong0038 wrote:

      GreenHornet wrote:


      MelissaFan1 wrote:
      Nicholas Blaschke wrote:
      I Can See Them Married In Future With Kids Along With Milo And Amanda 
      I picture 1/2 of that scenario 
      Melissa's other half should no doubt be Milo!
      Except that Milo clearly isn’t interested in Melissa like that.
      Maybe he's hiding it because he's afraid of wrecking his friendship with Melissa. That's how I see it.
      Yeah, I posited a theory sort of like that, that Milo actually has romantic feelings for Melissa, but hasn’t acted on them because of Murphy’s Law. He thinks that Murphy’s Law will force him to walk away from their friendship and it would just about kill him to have to do that.
      Exactly! Just like Ron before he revealed his feelings for Kim on 'Kim Possible'! He had a thing for Kim, but was too scared to admit it for fear of wrecking his friendship with her.

      Yeah, I’ve actually seen some YouTube commenters suggest that Melissa is solely responsible for turning Milo into the smart, tough, persistent optimist that he has become.

      That wouldn't be too far from the truth there. I think that if it weren't for Melissa, Milo wouldn't be around.

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    • GreenHornet wrote:

      Tlong0038 wrote:

      GreenHornet wrote:

      Tlong0038 wrote:

      GreenHornet wrote:


      Tlong0038 wrote:

      GreenHornet wrote:


      MelissaFan1 wrote:
      Nicholas Blaschke wrote:
      I Can See Them Married In Future With Kids Along With Milo And Amanda 
      I picture 1/2 of that scenario 
      Melissa's other half should no doubt be Milo!
      Except that Milo clearly isn’t interested in Melissa like that.
      Maybe he's hiding it because he's afraid of wrecking his friendship with Melissa. That's how I see it.
      Yeah, I posited a theory sort of like that, that Milo actually has romantic feelings for Melissa, but hasn’t acted on them because of Murphy’s Law. He thinks that Murphy’s Law will force him to walk away from their friendship and it would just about kill him to have to do that.
      Exactly! Just like Ron before he revealed his feelings for Kim on 'Kim Possible'! He had a thing for Kim, but was too scared to admit it for fear of wrecking his friendship with her.

      Yeah, I’ve actually seen some YouTube commenters suggest that Melissa is solely responsible for turning Milo into the smart, tough, persistent optimist that he has become.

      That wouldn't be too far from the truth there. I think that if it weren't for Melissa, Milo wouldn't be around.

      Well, I think he probably would be, but he’d be a completely different person. First Impressions seems to imply that Milo was pretty lonely kid.

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      MelissaFan1 wrote:
      Nicholas Blaschke wrote:
      I Can See Them Married In Future With Kids Along With Milo And Amanda 
      I picture 1/2 of that scenario 
      Melissa's other half should no doubt be Milo!
      Except that Milo clearly isn’t interested in Melissa like that.
      Maybe he's hiding it because he's afraid of wrecking his friendship with Melissa. That's how I see it.
      Yeah, I posited a theory sort of like that, that Milo actually has romantic feelings for Melissa, but hasn’t acted on them because of Murphy’s Law. He thinks that Murphy’s Law will force him to walk away from their friendship and it would just about kill him to have to do that.
      Exactly! Just like Ron before he revealed his feelings for Kim on 'Kim Possible'! He had a thing for Kim, but was too scared to admit it for fear of wrecking his friendship with her.
      Yeah, I’ve actually seen some YouTube commenters suggest that Melissa is solely responsible for turning Milo into the smart, tough, persistent optimist that he has become.
      That wouldn't be too far from the truth there. I think that if it weren't for Melissa, Milo wouldn't be around.

      Well, I think he probably would be, but he’d be a completely different person. First Impressions seems to imply that Milo was pretty lonely kid.

      One can only take being lonely for so long, though. You either become evil or you end up offing yourself because of it.

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    • Tlong0038 wrote:

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      MelissaFan1 wrote:
      Nicholas Blaschke wrote:
      I Can See Them Married In Future With Kids Along With Milo And Amanda 
      I picture 1/2 of that scenario 
      Melissa's other half should no doubt be Milo!
      Except that Milo clearly isn’t interested in Melissa like that.
      Maybe he's hiding it because he's afraid of wrecking his friendship with Melissa. That's how I see it.
      Yeah, I posited a theory sort of like that, that Milo actually has romantic feelings for Melissa, but hasn’t acted on them because of Murphy’s Law. He thinks that Murphy’s Law will force him to walk away from their friendship and it would just about kill him to have to do that.
      Exactly! Just like Ron before he revealed his feelings for Kim on 'Kim Possible'! He had a thing for Kim, but was too scared to admit it for fear of wrecking his friendship with her.

      Yeah, I’ve actually seen some YouTube commenters suggest that Melissa is solely responsible for turning Milo into the smart, tough, persistent optimist that he has become.

      That wouldn't be too far from the truth there. I think that if it weren't for Melissa, Milo wouldn't be around.

      Well, I think he probably would be, but he’d be a completely different person. First Impressions seems to imply that Milo was pretty lonely kid.

      Anyone else hear the song 'Lonely Boy' just now?

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    • GreenHornet wrote:

      MelissaFan1 wrote:
      Tlong0038 wrote:

      MelissaFan1 wrote: Then how do you explain his relationship with Amanda that evolved in season 2? He obviously has a lot of feelings for him and eventually vice versa and he didn;t try to walk away from them. 

      Arguably a different relationship dynamic. Milo made a point of talking to Amanda and gradually won her over on the basis his personal qualities.
      But according to your theory, he shouldn;t even have tried to if he cared about Amanda as much as he does Melissa, which he obviously does. 

      besdies, who's to say in high school or something Melissa may decide she wants to be with Milo reguardless and refuses to let him walk away saying she doesn;t care about his condition, she cares about him!

      Agreed! Who's to say that once the Murphy crew hits, say, their sophomore year of high school, Milo calls it off with Amanda, putting her safety above all else (because what if one day, he doesn't pack accordingly and Murphy's law ends up hurting Amanda). Then, sometime later, Zack and Melissa break up, thinking of Milo ahead of themselves. That would leave the door open for Melissa to decide to be with Milo anyway. As for Zack, I'm not sure where I stand on who he should be paired with now.

      BTW, GreenHornet, did you get my last exerpts?

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      MelissaFan1 wrote:
      Nicholas Blaschke wrote:
      I Can See Them Married In Future With Kids Along With Milo And Amanda 
      I picture 1/2 of that scenario 
      Melissa's other half should no doubt be Milo!
      Except that Milo clearly isn’t interested in Melissa like that.
      Maybe he's hiding it because he's afraid of wrecking his friendship with Melissa. That's how I see it.
      Yeah, I posited a theory sort of like that, that Milo actually has romantic feelings for Melissa, but hasn’t acted on them because of Murphy’s Law. He thinks that Murphy’s Law will force him to walk away from their friendship and it would just about kill him to have to do that.
      Exactly! Just like Ron before he revealed his feelings for Kim on 'Kim Possible'! He had a thing for Kim, but was too scared to admit it for fear of wrecking his friendship with her.
      Yeah, I’ve actually seen some YouTube commenters suggest that Melissa is solely responsible for turning Milo into the smart, tough, persistent optimist that he has become.
      That wouldn't be too far from the truth there. I think that if it weren't for Melissa, Milo wouldn't be around.
      Well, I think he probably would be, but he’d be a completely different person. First Impressions seems to imply that Milo was pretty lonely kid.
      One can only take being lonely for so long, though. You either become evil or you end up offing yourself because of it.

      We're all glad Milo never did either one!

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    • MelissaFan1 wrote:

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      MelissaFan1 wrote:
      Nicholas Blaschke wrote:
      I Can See Them Married In Future With Kids Along With Milo And Amanda 
      I picture 1/2 of that scenario 
      Melissa's other half should no doubt be Milo!
      Except that Milo clearly isn’t interested in Melissa like that.
      Maybe he's hiding it because he's afraid of wrecking his friendship with Melissa. That's how I see it.
      Yeah, I posited a theory sort of like that, that Milo actually has romantic feelings for Melissa, but hasn’t acted on them because of Murphy’s Law. He thinks that Murphy’s Law will force him to walk away from their friendship and it would just about kill him to have to do that.
      Exactly! Just like Ron before he revealed his feelings for Kim on 'Kim Possible'! He had a thing for Kim, but was too scared to admit it for fear of wrecking his friendship with her.
      Yeah, I’ve actually seen some YouTube commenters suggest that Melissa is solely responsible for turning Milo into the smart, tough, persistent optimist that he has become.
      That wouldn't be too far from the truth there. I think that if it weren't for Melissa, Milo wouldn't be around.
      Well, I think he probably would be, but he’d be a completely different person. First Impressions seems to imply that Milo was pretty lonely kid.
      One can only take being lonely for so long, though. You either become evil or you end up offing yourself because of it.

      We're all glad Milo never did either one!

      I don’t see him doing either of those, but I’ve seen some fan art that suggests that Milo walks around with a certain amount of psychological and emotional armour in order to protect his mental health. I could see that becoming WAY pronouced.

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    • Tlong0038 wrote:

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      MelissaFan1 wrote:
      Nicholas Blaschke wrote:
      I Can See Them Married In Future With Kids Along With Milo And Amanda 
      I picture 1/2 of that scenario 
      Melissa's other half should no doubt be Milo!
      Except that Milo clearly isn’t interested in Melissa like that.
      Maybe he's hiding it because he's afraid of wrecking his friendship with Melissa. That's how I see it.
      Yeah, I posited a theory sort of like that, that Milo actually has romantic feelings for Melissa, but hasn’t acted on them because of Murphy’s Law. He thinks that Murphy’s Law will force him to walk away from their friendship and it would just about kill him to have to do that.
      Exactly! Just like Ron before he revealed his feelings for Kim on 'Kim Possible'! He had a thing for Kim, but was too scared to admit it for fear of wrecking his friendship with her.
      Yeah, I’ve actually seen some YouTube commenters suggest that Melissa is solely responsible for turning Milo into the smart, tough, persistent optimist that he has become.
      That wouldn't be too far from the truth there. I think that if it weren't for Melissa, Milo wouldn't be around.
      Well, I think he probably would be, but he’d be a completely different person. First Impressions seems to imply that Milo was pretty lonely kid.
      One can only take being lonely for so long, though. You either become evil or you end up offing yourself because of it.
      We're all glad Milo never did either one!

      I don’t see him doing either of those, but I’ve seen some fan art that suggests that Milo walks around with a certain amount of psychological and emotional armour in order to protect his mental health. I could see that becoming WAY pronouced.

      Co9uld also explain where he gets his optimism from!

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    • MelissaFan1 wrote:

      Tlong0038 wrote:

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      MelissaFan1 wrote:
      Nicholas Blaschke wrote:
      I Can See Them Married In Future With Kids Along With Milo And Amanda 
      I picture 1/2 of that scenario 
      Melissa's other half should no doubt be Milo!
      Except that Milo clearly isn’t interested in Melissa like that.
      Maybe he's hiding it because he's afraid of wrecking his friendship with Melissa. That's how I see it.
      Yeah, I posited a theory sort of like that, that Milo actually has romantic feelings for Melissa, but hasn’t acted on them because of Murphy’s Law. He thinks that Murphy’s Law will force him to walk away from their friendship and it would just about kill him to have to do that.
      Exactly! Just like Ron before he revealed his feelings for Kim on 'Kim Possible'! He had a thing for Kim, but was too scared to admit it for fear of wrecking his friendship with her.
      Yeah, I’ve actually seen some YouTube commenters suggest that Melissa is solely responsible for turning Milo into the smart, tough, persistent optimist that he has become.
      That wouldn't be too far from the truth there. I think that if it weren't for Melissa, Milo wouldn't be around.
      Well, I think he probably would be, but he’d be a completely different person. First Impressions seems to imply that Milo was pretty lonely kid.
      One can only take being lonely for so long, though. You either become evil or you end up offing yourself because of it.
      We're all glad Milo never did either one!

      I don’t see him doing either of those, but I’ve seen some fan art that suggests that Milo walks around with a certain amount of psychological and emotional armour in order to protect his mental health. I could see that becoming WAY pronouced.

      Co9uld also explain where he gets his optimism from!

      No I think he gets his optimism from having to deal with Murphy’s Law for so long

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    • Milo probably gets his optimistic world from Martin, as well Uncle Joey and Grandpa Murphy, because they all seem to think like that.

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    • Wait Milo has an Uncle Joey? I thought Uncle Joey was a character on Fuller House

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    • Tlong0038 wrote:
      Milo probably gets his optimistic world from Martin, as well Uncle Joey and Grandpa Murphy, because they all seem to think like that.

      Could be all 3. 

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    • Phineas&Milo n Gravity Falls wrote: Wait Milo has an Uncle Joey? I thought Uncle Joey was a character on Fuller House

      Yes, Uncle Joey has only shown up once so far, in A Christmas Peril, when Milo and Sara invited all of the Murphies to Danville for Christmas.

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    • GreenHornet wrote:

      MelissaFan1 wrote:
      Nicholas Blaschke wrote:
      I Can See Them Married In Future With Kids Along With Milo And Amanda 
      I picture 1/2 of that scenario 

      Melissa's other half should no doubt be Milo!

      Considering not only the current continuity, but seeing how tiring the concept of male lead x female lead has become, I 100% disagree with that.

      We're at a day and age where the two main leads already have been paired together for way too many times, and should remain best friends every now and then. Heck, personally, I think this tiresome trope should've already been averted in Star vs the Forces of Evil, but then Starco began developing.

      There really is no reason to think that Melissa should be with Milo other than this male lead x female lead trope thing that's been going on for ages, while something like Milo and Amanda have actual evidence that don't need to rely solely on their character role status.

      I can even see actual evidence with Zack and Melissa (you know, what this forum should've been about before it got derailed), and that is somewhat meager in comparison.

      Melissa and Milo, though? The closest I can think of is that Milo room, which was stated by staff members to have nothing to do with romance for Milo. Melissa's other half should NOT have to be Milo at all. It ain't happening.

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    • Arend wrote:

      GreenHornet wrote:

      MelissaFan1 wrote:
      Nicholas Blaschke wrote:
      I Can See Them Married In Future With Kids Along With Milo And Amanda 
      I picture 1/2 of that scenario 
      Melissa's other half should no doubt be Milo!
      Considering not only the current continuity, but seeing how tiring the concept of male lead x female lead has become, I 100% disagree with that.

      We're at a day and age where the two main leads already have been paired together for way too many times, and should remain best friends every now and then. Heck, personally, I think this tiresome trope should've already been averted in Star vs the Forces of Evil, but then Starco began developing.

      There really is no reason to think that Melissa should be with Milo other than this male lead x female lead trope thing that's been going on for ages, while something like Milo and Amanda have actual evidence that don't need to rely solely on their character role status.

      I can even see actual evidence with Zack and Melissa (you know, what this forum should've been about before it got derailed), and that is somewhat meager in comparison.

      Melissa and Milo, though? The closest I can think of is that Milo room, which was stated by staff members to have nothing to do with romance for Milo. Melissa's other half should NOT have to be Milo at all. It ain't happening.

      Well, we all know that NOW, don;t we? 

      But yeah. Zack and Melissa ARE meager in comparison and that wasn;t as developed as MilLanda, which is why that's the only thing I can picture now that theree is no MiloLissa. 

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    • Exactly Just Like How Marco Told Star How He Felt About Her

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    • Cursed

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    • You know what I think? Zack....CHEATED!

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    • For those interested in my two cents: Zack and Melissa gave chemistry, and I can see why they are together, I just think that the creative team behind the show could have set it up better. There are hints, but a majority of them seem to just be "Punch" and other people saying that they are in love.

      Just my opinion. I think it could have been set up better.

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    • The Milo Murphy's Law Wiki Guy wrote:
      For those interested in my two cents: Zack and Melissa gave chemistry, and I can see why they are together, I just think that the creative team behind the show could have set it up better. There are hints, but a majority of them seem to just be "Punch" and other people saying that they are in love.

      Just my opinion. I think it could have been set up better.

      Agreed. It could've been set up better, but it wasn't. There was little to no buildup at all!

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    • I’ve sort have taken the position, at least in my writing, that it’s more like Zack thinks he MIGHT be interested in Melissa, but he isn’t totally sure and part of the reason why is Milo. I have envisioned that Zack is kind of having a debate with himself over Melissa similar to the one that Harry had over Ginny in Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince. Zack is possibly interested in going out with Melissa, but he knows that Milo and Melissa have a lot of history together and doesn’t want to do something that would unintentionally upset Milo. In really, there isn’t really a good reason for Milo to object to his two best friends having a more meaningful relationship, but Zack has intuited that Milo has a bit of a subconscious brotherly protective streak when it comes to the idea of Melissa dating other guys, so he’s quietly trying to find a way to talk to Milo first before talking to Melissa.

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      I’ve sort have taken the position, at least in my writing, that it’s more like Zack thinks he MIGHT be interested in Melissa, but he isn’t totally sure and part of the reason why is Milo. I have envisioned that Zack is kind of having a debate with himself over Melissa similar to the one that Harry had over Ginny in Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince. Zack is possibly interested in going out with Melissa, but he knows that Milo and Melissa have a lot of history together and doesn’t want to do something that would unintentionally upset Milo. In really, there isn’t really a good reason for Milo to object to his two best friends having a more meaningful relationship, but Zack has intuited that Milo has a bit of a subconscious brotherly protective streak when it comes to the idea of Melissa dating other guys, so he’s quietly trying to find a way to talk to Milo first before talking to Melissa.

      This makes sense. I think this cound definitely be the plot of an episode at some point, with Zack trying all day to tactfully ask Milo but never finding the right opportunity, only to blurt it all out when they're in the worst pickle Murphey's Law can throw them in. Personally, I'd just be happy to see Zalissa be actually acknowledged in the show; then we wouldn't have to rely on this whole "at least there's the possibility" thing.

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    • I’ve been gradually setting this up as part of Zack’s on-going character arc in Falling for Perfection since Ep. 17, so I’ve been taking more of a slow burn approach to this idea. Zack and Milo will definitely have a discussion about Melissa at some point in this story toward the end.

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    • Tlong0038 wrote:
      I’ve been gradually setting this up as part of Zack’s on-going character arc in Falling for Perfection since Ep. 17, so I’ve been taking more of a slow burn approach to this idea. Zack and Milo will definitely have a discussion about Melissa at some point in this story toward the end.

      And only to appease the Zalissa/Milanda shippers, I have arcs for those pairings coming up in my story -  'How I Met Your Mother'. Of course, you may know where that ends up going...

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    • I always thought a good Zalissa-focused episode would see the return of Jackie, as I explained here.

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    • Well, guys, in my opinion, the relationship between Zack and Melissa has a lot in common with the relationship between Ron and Hermione in Harry Potter.

      Now, let's have a look in Harry Potter first. Ron has been friend with Harry for 7 years during their time in Hogwarts (they are still friends now but we will discuss only the time they are students in Hogwarts). J.K.Rowling has said, being friend with a real hero like Harry had damaged Ron's ego. He has to live under Harry's shadow and his brothers shadow. Of course Harry is always superior than Ron in many things but without Ron's help, Harry might only survive 3 chapters at most. Throughout the whole series Ron had helped and been loyal to Harry a lot but literally no one (except Harry, Hermione and some other characters) really gave Ron any credit. Even in Half-blood Prince, when Professor Slughorn were recuiting for his Slug Club, he only invited Harry and Hermione, Ron was completely ignored by Slughorn. And although no one really gives Ron any credit for his help or care about his role in Harry's adventure, he is still loyal to his best mate no matter what and J.K.Rowling has rewarded him with the love of the smartest and the prettiest witch : Hermione.

      Ok, back to Milo Murphy's Law, when Milo gets into a trouble, he always tries his best to fix it but there are also a lot of troubles that Milo can't fix by himself and Zack (and Melissa too) always be there to give him a hand. Zack has joined a lot of adventure to save Milo. He has travelled through time to fight Pistachions, gone halfway through the galaxy to a new planet to bring Milo back. By all means, those adventures could cost Zack his life but he still join them for Milo. And also like Ron, Zack's ego has been damaged too (he mentioned it in The Mid-Afternoon Snack Club when he said he felt a bit useless around Milo bcoz Milo could fix things that he couldn't and Milo had more life exprience than him) but despite all of that, Zack still shows friendship and loyalty to his best friend Milo so I think Zack must be deserve with something. Right? And Melissa's love for Zack is the best reward for him. Zack deserves it

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    • Arend wrote:
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      Oh, and if you wanted to make a list, but it didn't work, try replacing - with *

      Yeah, I was wondering that myself, but good comparison. And yet another reason to want the show to come back, now that I think about. How will Milo and Zack's friendship change now that Milo knows that one of his two best friends sometimes feels overshadowed?

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    • Arend wrote: Why'd you post the same message twice?

      Oh, and if you wanted to make a list, but it didn't work, try replacing - with *

      Thanks for noticing Arend. I just got a little problem with my PC so yeah, at least I removed it

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    • Anyway, with the people complaining that there should've been more hints to Zalissa throughout Season 2, I think it'd be a good idea to remind y'all that there was a plan to develop Zack and Melissa's relationship if Joshua Pruett's pitch of Melissa remaining a Pistachion went through, as I discussed here.

      Kinda sad that the Zalissa aspect of that pitch went into the bin for the most part as well.

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    • Never said it wasn't planned, just that it wasn't executed well. There's a difference.

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    • Arend wrote:
      Anyway, with the people complaining that there should've been more hints to Zalissa throughout Season 2, I think it'd be a good idea to remind y'all that there was a plan to develop Zack and Melissa's relationship if Joshua Pruett's pitch of Melissa remaining a Pistachion went through, as I discussed here.

      Kinda sad that the Zalissa aspect of that pitch went into the bin for the most part as well.

      Really? That sounds like such a good idea. That potentially would have totally changed the  interpersonal dynamic between Milo and Melissa as well. Now I'm totally temtped to do something lie that.

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    • Tlong0038 wrote:
      Arend wrote:
      Why'd you post the same message twice?

      Oh, and if you wanted to make a list, but it didn't work, try replacing - with *

      Yeah, I was wondering that myself, but good comparison. And yet another reason to want the show to come back, now that I think about. How will Milo and Zack's friendship change now that Milo knows that one of his two best friends sometimes feels overshadowed?

      He already knew about that since The Mid-Afternoon Snack Club and he gave Zack the spotlight there and for the most part it didn't change. 

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    • Tlong0038 wrote:
      Arend wrote:
      Anyway, with the people complaining that there should've been more hints to Zalissa throughout Season 2, I think it'd be a good idea to remind y'all that there was a plan to develop Zack and Melissa's relationship if Joshua Pruett's pitch of Melissa remaining a Pistachion went through, as I discussed here.

      Kinda sad that the Zalissa aspect of that pitch went into the bin for the most part as well.

      Really? That sounds like such a good idea. That potentially would have totally changed the  interpersonal dynamic between Milo and Melissa as well. Now I'm totally temtped to do something lie that.

      I wouldn't want anything to ruin their best friendship so I'm glad he didn't go for that. 

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    • The Milo Murphy's Law Wiki Guy wrote:
      Never said it wasn't planned, just that it wasn't executed well. There's a difference.

      Yeah, it wasn't.  Forgive me for saying so, but Milo and Amanda was executed way better.  More hints and more character development. And I'm glad this took a different approach than most 'guys with a crush on the pretty girl' arcs in most cartoons and sitcoms. 

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